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147 pointsjeffmiller14y ago55 comments

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Congratulations Gabriel. DDG is invaluable for those of us who do not want our searches logged into a database, who do not want search results sorted by whether or not an acquaintance has "liked" a page. I wear my DDG t-shirt out and have been asked about it a couple of times. I wear it happily.

Pewpewarrows14y ago

For what it's worth, I've seen absolutely no indication that Google takes social data into account when ranking results. They only show it as metadata on items within the original ordering.

efsavage14y ago

Actually I saw an example of this twice earlier today. I did a search for some relatively common terms ("api debug" or something like that) and a friend's companies API came up on the first page. Hopped into incognito mode, was not to be found in the first several pages. Same thing happened not too long after, a friend's blog came up for a term, tried incognito, it was gone.

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patja14y ago

I tried switching to DDG, but found that I was really missing Google's date range filter. Especially for troubleshooting searches where you can get results that are relevant to the search terms but have obsolete old content, I almost always hit "past year" or even "past month". I know about the sort by date feature in DDG, but I really want date as a filter on the whole result set, with a sort by relevance within the filtered results.

re_todd14y ago

Agree 100%. I use the "past year" or "past month" at least once a day. No date ranges to fiddle with, no new page to have to go to to enter a date range .... just click the link and the results appear in a second. DDG would be awesome with this.

jvehent14y ago

I support that ! This is the feature I miss the most in DDG. Most of my searches during the day relate to tech stuff, and recent content is one of the most relevant criteria (usually, I filter to get the result from the last 12 months).

epi0Bauqu14y ago

Thx! This is something we've wanted to do, but don't have great data for yet. If you use the sort by date feature (for timely pages) there is a date displayed. You can get to that by selecting it in the drop down next to the search box or by typing sort:date or just s:d at the end of the query.

You can also quickly get to the google ranges (when needed) via our !bang syntax: http://duckduckgo.com/bang.html - e.g. just add !gyear !gmonth etc to the end of your query.

DanBC14y ago

Weirdly, I want a time filter, but to block recent results and promote results older than X years.

I can think of the example, but there was something with few results for (about) 12 years ago (and those were the ones I wanted) but millions for this year. (And I didn't want those.)

Sodaware14y ago

The !bang syntax is definitely one of DDG's best features. Being able to access a few hundred site searches with a keyword is incredibly powerful, and saves time on creating quick searches in Firefox.

(The full list of !bang commands http://duckduckgo.com/bang.html)

skrebbel14y ago

I disagree. It belongs in the browser.

Also, Opera has had it for years (right-click any form field and choose "Create Search" - no plugins or options screens needed)

slowpoke14y ago

Definitely agree. I set DDG as Firefox' default search engine (about:config --> keyword.URL) and it has come to the point that searching with the dedicated search bar has begun feeling clunky. I think there are no important sites which I frequent that aren't included in the huge amount of bangs yet. Could just as well get rid of the search bar altogether...

pkamb14y ago

Did it mess any other programmers up, thinking "NOT youtube"? Don't search youtube, search the rest of the web...

deno14y ago

Being used to Google, I would first try “-site:youtube.com .”

dmfdmf14y ago

What I like is no zooming car ads blocking content like on Yahoo or the unhelpful auto-entry and auto-guessing features that gets in my way like on Google (e.g. searching for what Google thinks I meant instead of what I actually typed, did Google buy Microsoft Bob and Office Assistant Clippy?)

DanBC14y ago

It's particularly annoying when Google substitutes words without telling you. Or when they silently drop words and you only realise when a ctrl-F through the web-page says nothing found.

Pewpewarrows14y ago

That's what the "+" before a search term is for: this is exactly the word I'm looking for, and every result must have this. Otherwise it tries to find the most relavant page that's closest to what you typed. It makes sense to have that by default: do you really want to miss the exact page you were searching for because you used the term "graduate" instead of "graduating"?

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jmarbach14y ago

Gabriel is taking on a challenge that extends beyond Google's reach, the filter bubble. Luckily he's been able to implement several human curation strategies to make a better search engine based on reliable search results. On the flip side, Google has been fostering a limiting perspective on the world's information due to their personal relevance algorithms which drive more ad clicks.

snarfy14y ago

I was always impressed with the speed of response by the ddg team. I'd report an issue, and within minutes (sometimes seconds) I'd have a reply from the ddg team. Broken queries were fixed in days, sometimes hours.

slowpoke14y ago

I can support this. Even trivialities like a (slightly) miss-categorized !bang got fixed in hours.

forcer14y ago

I think its a good move. In my opinion you can only play the one-man-band card for a while and then you need to come up with other reasons why press should write about you. DDG has innovated quickly and been able to address user's needs at the right time when they were discussed in the press, picking up the loyal users on the way...

binarymax14y ago

Thanks for building and growing DDG! Have been using it for awhile now as my default search engine and I love it.

skrebbel14y ago

I love all of DDG, except its speed (might be latency, I'm in Europe)

epi0Bauqu14y ago

Thx! We should be getting some European servers in the short-term. We just added some in Singapore, and Europe is next.

skrebbel14y ago

Happy to hear that!

steveh7314y ago

I quite like DDG but from my region (NZ) it's just too slow compared to Google. I look forward to when you're big enough to have datacentres in Auckland or even Sydney.

epi0Bauqu14y ago

We just added some servers in singapore that should have speeded us up for your region. Have you tried it recently (last couple of weeks). If it is still slow would love to continue debugging at http://duckduckgo.com/feedback.html

DanBC14y ago

I go to "goodies" and "zero click info sources". I see this line:-

Language SE - quint in quintessential

So I clicky the link, but it appears to have nothing to do with Stack Exchange. Some of the others work - Numote Big Bang Schedule has a nice box at top of the search results.

ALSO: Do you have a printable cheat sheet for all the bang syntax and extras? A4, mono, please!

epi0Bauqu14y ago

At the top I see a blurb from the English Language StackExchange linking to http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/2/where-does-the-... - is that not coming up for you?

DanBC14y ago

Nope :-(

I get this: ---

Did you mean quintin quintessential?

Welcome to Quintessential Filter Tips Ltd. Quintessential Tips Ltd. Makers and Purveyors of Fine Quality Environmentally Conscious Smoking Products. quintessentialtips.com

Quintessential | Define Quintessential at Dictionary.com adjective . 1. of the pure and essential essence of something: the quintessential Jewish delicatessen. 2. of or pertaining to the most perfect embodiment of something: the quintessential performance of the Brandenburg Concertos. dictionary.reference.com/browse/quintessential More results

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DanBC14y ago

Let me know what information you need and I'll send it to your feedback page. I might not be for a few hours though!

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bull14y ago

Is there a way to get google results instead of yahoo results? I don't mean using the !g syntax, but getting actual google results in the format of duckduckgo.

I love the site, but alot of the time, Yahoo's results are weak.

epi0Bauqu14y ago

No, but we use other results besides Yahoo's (including our own). I'd appreciate specific examples when they come up: http://duckduckgo.com/feedback.html

startupcomment14y ago

Congratulations, Gabriel! I am very happy for you. DDG is my default search engine, and I suggest that friends and family use it. Just wondering why you don't use https as a default setting. Also, sometimes I find the continuous scrolling of search results makes it a bit more difficult to keep track of where I have been than with Google's default 10 results per page. Consequently, sometimes I find it easier to quickly scan Google search results. I wonder if there is something further that you could tweak in this regard? Keep up the great work!

epi0Bauqu14y ago

Thx! We don't use https by default because it is noticeably slower to connect. Also noted on continuous results -- our non-JS versions do have some pagination.

white_devil14y ago

So what's the plan for making money with DDG?

sequoia14y ago

There is some context based advertising in place already, via amazon (used to be thru some "invite only" ad service) but the volume of advertising is very low, only one ad per several visits, and I'd venture that the rate of adblock usage and non-clicking of ads is much higher among the DDG set. I hope they find a way to monetize!

EponymousCoward14y ago

Paid search results? Would it really be incongruent with what DDG is doing?

slouch14y ago

Ads. They are already running ads including amazon affiliate.

njharman14y ago

Acqusition.

maximusprime14y ago

They got investment. Who needs profit these days?!

mkr-hn14y ago

If you're running a company in an industry that's being encroached on by Google, throwing some money at a serious competitor like DDG might be a good investment.

suking14y ago

I quickly used DDG for the first time for some searches and you guys place WAY too much emphasis on exact query match domains. Also, including .com.au addresses in a local search when I'm in the US is probably not a lot of help.

Best of luck.

gurraman14y ago

This is biting me as well - I use search in place of the address bar a lot. Now, in DDG, searches like "asoiaf reddit" does not find the root-site.

I think I'm not alone in using the address bar less and less.

While I'm at it:

- I would probably change the color of the address in the results to make it easier to distinguish from the excerpt/description.

- Remove the green background that is displayed on hover. I find it hard to scan entries with that big green blob hovering :)

Edit: formatting

pkamb14y ago

+1 for changing the URL color. I'd prefer it directly under the title as well. And maybe find a way to emphasize the important parts of the URL, cut out the random numbers.

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suking14y ago

Agree - google's UI is 1000X more pleasant on the eyes, DDG made me dizzy and hard to distinguish between each result, especially with their infinite scroll.

epi0Bauqu14y ago

Thx for the feedback - duly noted! Would appreciate the specific example for the .com.au stuff here: http://duckduckgo.com/feedback.html

dbbo14y ago

DDG is a great search engine. I was stoked to see that the Midori[1] browser adopted it as the default search engine. However, if I can't seem to find something there, I try Scroogle with SSL[2]

1 - http://www.twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html

2 - https://ssl.scroogle.org/

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MatthewPhillips14y ago

Pewpewarrows14y ago

For what it's worth, I've seen absolutely no indication that Google takes social data into account when ranking results. They only show it as metadata on items within the original ordering.

efsavage14y ago

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patja14y ago

re_todd14y ago

jvehent14y ago

epi0Bauqu14y ago

You can also quickly get to the google ranges (when needed) via our !bang syntax: http://duckduckgo.com/bang.html - e.g. just add !gyear !gmonth etc to the end of your query.

DanBC14y ago

Weirdly, I want a time filter, but to block recent results and promote results older than X years.

I can think of the example, but there was something with few results for (about) 12 years ago (and those were the ones I wanted) but millions for this year. (And I didn't want those.)

Sodaware14y ago

(The full list of !bang commands http://duckduckgo.com/bang.html)

skrebbel14y ago

I disagree. It belongs in the browser.

Also, Opera has had it for years (right-click any form field and choose "Create Search" - no plugins or options screens needed)

slowpoke14y ago

pkamb14y ago

Did it mess any other programmers up, thinking "NOT youtube"? Don't search youtube, search the rest of the web...

deno14y ago

Being used to Google, I would first try “-site:youtube.com .”

dmfdmf14y ago

DanBC14y ago

It's particularly annoying when Google substitutes words without telling you. Or when they silently drop words and you only realise when a ctrl-F through the web-page says nothing found.

Pewpewarrows14y ago

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jmarbach14y ago

snarfy14y ago

slowpoke14y ago

I can support this. Even trivialities like a (slightly) miss-categorized !bang got fixed in hours.

forcer14y ago

binarymax14y ago

Thanks for building and growing DDG! Have been using it for awhile now as my default search engine and I love it.

skrebbel14y ago

I love all of DDG, except its speed (might be latency, I'm in Europe)

epi0Bauqu14y ago

Thx! We should be getting some European servers in the short-term. We just added some in Singapore, and Europe is next.

skrebbel14y ago

Happy to hear that!

steveh7314y ago

I quite like DDG but from my region (NZ) it's just too slow compared to Google. I look forward to when you're big enough to have datacentres in Auckland or even Sydney.

epi0Bauqu14y ago

DanBC14y ago

I go to "goodies" and "zero click info sources". I see this line:-

Language SE - quint in quintessential

So I clicky the link, but it appears to have nothing to do with Stack Exchange. Some of the others work - Numote Big Bang Schedule has a nice box at top of the search results.

ALSO: Do you have a printable cheat sheet for all the bang syntax and extras? A4, mono, please!

epi0Bauqu14y ago

At the top I see a blurb from the English Language StackExchange linking to http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/2/where-does-the-... - is that not coming up for you?

DanBC14y ago

Nope :-(

I get this: ---

Did you mean quintin quintessential?

Welcome to Quintessential Filter Tips Ltd. Quintessential Tips Ltd. Makers and Purveyors of Fine Quality Environmentally Conscious Smoking Products. quintessentialtips.com

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DanBC14y ago

Let me know what information you need and I'll send it to your feedback page. I might not be for a few hours though!

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bull14y ago

Is there a way to get google results instead of yahoo results? I don't mean using the !g syntax, but getting actual google results in the format of duckduckgo.

I love the site, but alot of the time, Yahoo's results are weak.

epi0Bauqu14y ago

No, but we use other results besides Yahoo's (including our own). I'd appreciate specific examples when they come up: http://duckduckgo.com/feedback.html

startupcomment14y ago

epi0Bauqu14y ago

Thx! We don't use https by default because it is noticeably slower to connect. Also noted on continuous results -- our non-JS versions do have some pagination.

white_devil14y ago

So what's the plan for making money with DDG?

sequoia14y ago

EponymousCoward14y ago

Paid search results? Would it really be incongruent with what DDG is doing?

slouch14y ago

Ads. They are already running ads including amazon affiliate.

njharman14y ago

Acqusition.

maximusprime14y ago

They got investment. Who needs profit these days?!

mkr-hn14y ago

If you're running a company in an industry that's being encroached on by Google, throwing some money at a serious competitor like DDG might be a good investment.

suking14y ago

Best of luck.

gurraman14y ago

This is biting me as well - I use search in place of the address bar a lot. Now, in DDG, searches like "asoiaf reddit" does not find the root-site.

I think I'm not alone in using the address bar less and less.

While I'm at it:

- I would probably change the color of the address in the results to make it easier to distinguish from the excerpt/description.

- Remove the green background that is displayed on hover. I find it hard to scan entries with that big green blob hovering :)

Edit: formatting

pkamb14y ago

+1 for changing the URL color. I'd prefer it directly under the title as well. And maybe find a way to emphasize the important parts of the URL, cut out the random numbers.

1 more reply

suking14y ago

Agree - google's UI is 1000X more pleasant on the eyes, DDG made me dizzy and hard to distinguish between each result, especially with their infinite scroll.

epi0Bauqu14y ago

Thx for the feedback - duly noted! Would appreciate the specific example for the .com.au stuff here: http://duckduckgo.com/feedback.html

dbbo14y ago

DDG is a great search engine. I was stoked to see that the Midori[1] browser adopted it as the default search engine. However, if I can't seem to find something there, I try Scroogle with SSL[2]

1 - http://www.twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html

2 - https://ssl.scroogle.org/

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