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0 pointsnerdponx3y ago0 comments

I have become convinced that inadequate public schooling is the reason why America has come to rely so much on college to make people "ready for society".

Teachers are criminally underpaid, unsupported, and overworked, while parents are not engaged with their children's learning. It's a bad mix. Not to mention the politicization of teacher unions.

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javajosh3y ago

>Teachers are criminally underpaid, unsupported, and overworked

My impression is that public school teachers have been un-empowered to fail out kids, or punish them for bad behavior in class.

nsxwolf3y ago

If they’re overworked, what is it they’re working so hard and so ineffectively at?

mellavora3y ago

I notice that you have perverted the meaning by adding the word "ineffective" which was not in the statement you are replying to, though you imply it was and that teachers are.

As if the only way a person can be overworked is by not being effective at their job.

And thus it is the teacher's failing that they cannot keep up with the workload, not the people assigning the workload.

It seems you have had a very rare and fortunate life. I am happy for you, though I wish you had more respect for others.

nsxwolf3y ago

OP didn’t say it but an overarching theme in the comments here is that traditional public education is ineffective. So if teachers are overworked, they’ve got energy to expend but they’re expending it ineffectively.

You took this a little far with the personal attack.

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brtkdotse3y ago

Don’t know about the US but in Sweden teachers are plagued by mandatory administrative task, as well as a myriad of small tasks all unrelated to teaching.

dylan6043y ago

I hear this a lot, but what exactly is administrative tasks they are being burdened with that is not part of being a teacher?

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BeFlatXIII3y ago

They're ineffective precisely because they're overworked.

chmod6003y ago

Accommodating students unwilling to learn or unprepared.

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javajosh3y ago

>Teachers are criminally underpaid, unsupported, and overworked

My impression is that public school teachers have been un-empowered to fail out kids, or punish them for bad behavior in class.

nsxwolf3y ago

If they’re overworked, what is it they’re working so hard and so ineffectively at?

mellavora3y ago

I notice that you have perverted the meaning by adding the word "ineffective" which was not in the statement you are replying to, though you imply it was and that teachers are.

As if the only way a person can be overworked is by not being effective at their job.

And thus it is the teacher's failing that they cannot keep up with the workload, not the people assigning the workload.

It seems you have had a very rare and fortunate life. I am happy for you, though I wish you had more respect for others.

nsxwolf3y ago

You took this a little far with the personal attack.

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brtkdotse3y ago

Don’t know about the US but in Sweden teachers are plagued by mandatory administrative task, as well as a myriad of small tasks all unrelated to teaching.

dylan6043y ago

I hear this a lot, but what exactly is administrative tasks they are being burdened with that is not part of being a teacher?

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BeFlatXIII3y ago

They're ineffective precisely because they're overworked.

chmod6003y ago

Accommodating students unwilling to learn or unprepared.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse