Then this week I was working through a new project on a customer's site taking notes in Evernote as I normally do. I spent a good chunk of time going through the project onsite and making a comprehensive list of everything that would need to be done. I noticed the header on my note was grey but assumed it was a UI change. I had 4G reception on my phone and figured, even if something's not quite right I can sync it up back at the office like I normally do as the note would be on my phone. So I proceeded like normal.
The whole note is gone as if it never existed.
Is this some sort of effort to onboard me to the paid version? Have I inadvertently clicked a "yes I accept that the free version is going to become unreliable" button?
I appreciate I am not a great customer - I have been using a free version for years without even thinking about it. But thats kind of the point, Evernote worked so well I never gave it a second thought.
Now I am not 100% sure on the safety of my notes...
What is other people's experience? Have I just been caught napping because I mindlessly clicked an updated terms of use without reading it (as I do)?
If I go paid am I getting something as good as what the old Evernote was like?
These days they have added all these extra features which I don't need, and which have made the whole app slow and terribly clunky. When I use the iPad app it takes several seconds to load notes or search, and the UI keeps jumping around if it hasn't loaded completely yet. Terrible experience.
The icing on the cake is that they changed the welcome page of the app to no longer show the list of notes - and if you want to edit the page to get that list back, you have to sign up to their premium subscription! And I'm already paying too, just not for the right level of subscription apparently.
I have been meaning to find an alternative for months now, so if anyone has any suggestions please do let me know! The most important features to me are note syncing across iOS/Mac/Windows and the ability to import my notes from Evernote.
That is the modern business model. First you build something so good it becomes indespensible then you squeeze money out of it until your customers hate you just enough to not stop using you.
I don’t know if I’d call it a business model, but it’s certainly something that many modern businesses do.
Yes, the "first" Evernote had great features, but it was all over the place. No clients had the same set of features, and web side was even worse.
When they ditched everything and rebuilt all clients from the same base, they've lost some of the cool features, but I find it much easier to use and rely on.
Only after that point I bought a subscription, fully went into it, and currently building my knowledge base inside it, and collaborating on some stuff.
Simpler is not always worse. Yes, the old Evernote was a "road warrior's utopia", but the current incarnation works much better on a cross-platform perspective, and I'm a happy camper.
Not an issue for me, but others might be concerned about its (lack of??) mobile support. I do all my work on desktops and sync thru git, so its not been a problem for me.
Now I use MediaWiki through docker (with Sqlite database) on my home server. It's lightening fast for my personal use, and comes with tons of powerful features (categories, subpages, templates, math syntax, etc.). Because MediaWiki is the same system running Wikipedia, I believe it is very likely will run 10, 20, or even more years. It is not the most convenient to use, but I don't use it for quick notes, for which I just use the default note app on my phone.
Although in the end I ended up with Microsoft OneNote (with Obsidian for special cases), Microsoft isn't going away and they don't have a habit of killing core products like Google does.
My bigger gripes are that it doesn't support (markdown) formatting without a subscription, and I can't figure out how to put notes into folders.
Cross-platform, and it feels like what Evernote was back in the day: a simple note-taking app with a beautiful UI.
I replaced Evernote with it a few months ago, and it's been a daily driver since. It was first recommended to me on /r/evernote, a subreddit that has basically been echoing the OP's concerns about Evernote for the last two years it looks like.
If I ever built a note taking app, I'll be using your tag line as a subtitle and a guiding principle :)
"...just a list of notes with some formatting and sync capabilities"
For a sales pitch, the slack team apparently used workflowy to coordinate dev before they launched.
What once warranted an app is simply a feature somewhere in another app. MacOS comes with "Notes", which is perfectly sufficient for me.
I stopped using tools with any kind of lock-in or custom format because I know they will eventually degrade into something unusable.
If I middle-click on a link to open it in a new tab, I paste-insert my clipboard content _into the link text_ instead (I'm on Linux). That's just horrible.
Currently it is sadly the best set of features within one tool for me (at least the subset I use). I would love to switch to an open source variant to self host. But till then I will probably stay with it.
Still. I don't like the slowness (web and app). I don't like how it feels just off sometimes. And how the Android app just so-so works for me.
My only quibble is the lack of offline functionality.
OneNote is essentially free, it's Microsoft's gateway to get people to come back into their ecosystem and you obviously know it's going to be well maintained, high integrity of storage, etc. I know it will be still around and maintained in 10 years time when I still want to access my old notes.
The mobile and iPad apps are nice, there's also a convenient Evernote to OneNote importer: https://www.onenote.com/import-evernote-to-onenote
My take on Evernote is that they never managed to properly monetize it. I was a single user, not in a team, didn't need shared notes or chat functionality and there was no need for me to pay for it... until they decided to arbitrarily limit the number of devices you could use your account on which is just such a shitty approach because we all know there's no actual cost to servicing three devices vs two. In other words the only thing they could do to get me to pay for it was hobble my UX until I coughed up. Sorry, no thanks.
Honestly, if you just want a solid 1:1 Evernote replacement that isn't markdown, self-hosted, etc just use MS OneNote. It's great.
I've never lost a note yet and have all of them since I started gosh whenever it shipped. It survived moving 4 companies offline until 5th forced me into syncing it to cloude one drive so that I can share it between 3 macs and 4 windows machines and vms.
An incredible tool that I can't do without.
Asking people to pay for a non-crippled experience makes sense to me. The behavior I want from a note-taking app is not conducive to any other way of monetizing my usage. For a long time Evernote wouldn't face up to that, and a result, they didn't value their product or their users. I used to take backups obsessively because every day I half-expected Evernote to shut down their servers, because they couldn't figure out how to turn it into a social network or a business collaboration platform. Now at least they seem to have settled down and accepted what their product is.
I click on virtually every headline I see about note-taking apps because Evernote has done plenty over the years to alienate me. I'd love to switch. But I don't want to run the infrastructure myself, and I don't want to be anyone's free user. I'm keeping an eye on Joplin, but for now, Evernote is the best for my purposes.
- Create a workout on my laptop, then walk to the back yard and follow it on my phone while taking additional notes.
- Create a packing checklist for a trip on my desktop, then walk around the house with the list in my hand, checking off what I have already so I know what I need to buy.
- Scan a tax form to my Taxes notebook on my phone and then go back to my laptop where I'm using Turbotax.
Evernote has worked for these use cases for a long time.
It's not for marking up documents or drawing, let's say that data-storage and recollection is the main use, it might help you.
BTW, the use of tags allows you to quickly "view the world" from a particular set of words, "work,project,todo" is a pretty specific domain and my app is designed to let you work within that domain or simply change tags to view the world from a new domain.
During those years, Evernote has kept getting worse and worse, becomeing slower and more unreliable at doing cores things, while they slap features on it, that I do not want (collaboration, chat and other garbage).
I want to migrate off at some point, but 10 years of scanned documents are tricky to migrate, and frankly I do not know of any good alternatives at this point.
Free or one time payment only.
Now, part of my vetting process for new services is “can I not just get my data out, but also the metadata I care about?”. That’s done with the first few projects/documents/whatever, and then because of being bitten in the past, I know I must do the same export at least twice a year in order to know that the company has not silently restricted it.
The reasoning is that Apple is a trillion dollar company and they've no interest in screwing me over. I know it's naive but a consolation I guess. If not, what would be an alternative?
In my opinion, that is Evernote's one and only killer feature.
I also noticed one day that some of my notes that only had titles also had a body containing the same text. I backspaced through the superfluous body, and the note deleted itself. I reproduced this reliably. I think maybe those notes really only had bodies, but Evernote was duplicating the body text in the title textbox, or vice versa, tricking me into thinking it had both, so when I deleted the body, it considered the whole note empty. Luckily, I noticed what was happening before I could no longer remember which notes I had accidentally deleted.
Other than the big bugs:
Pasting without formatting never seems to work.
Assigning a note to a notebook and tagging it is not keyboard-friendly, reducing efficiency dramatically.
Filtering by notebook/tag takes way more clicks and screens than it needs to on mobile.
Launching the app is incredibly slow, which means you can't use it for a quick look-up.
The conflict rules seem overly simple, as I frequently get conflicts in a big note I have when I simply add a line anywhere in it on two devices.
I'm running it on an unRAID server with nightly backups, but you could just as easily run it from a raspberry pi.
Before next cloud, I was using text files in Dropbox.
My employer just started using notion. It seems fine so far, but I don't see myself switching away from next cloud any time soon.
Sure, Apple Notes may have native window resize, but can you tell if the app is syncing right now? When was the last sync? What happens in case of a versioning clash? Will it decide to work with patchy Internet on that upcoming train ride? Will it sync once you go back online? Will it decide to party with some random Exchange server you used for work once, and how will this affect your notes? Are your notes safe from random changes in formatting when Apple rolls out improvements to the Notes app?
Don't get me wrong, I love my iPhone and have used Macs for decades, but I wouldn't trust Apple cloud services with anything even remotely important. I'm even a little sceptical about Mac Finder at this point, which is ten minutes away from becoming a cloud service itself.
It's a terrific product but I no longer trust it for anything important. I also find the search is increasingly janky which is now a major problem. This is all a shame because it is still best of class to me
No disrespect but surely this was a hail Mary and not immediately expected to actually work out.
I switched to Joplin and I like it a lot. It's very fast. It uses markdown syntax with all the features like LaTeX equations. It stores your notes as regular files in the file system so you can export or grep or whatever. Syncing to the mobile app works OK.
Until then, on Evernote's Tos [1] scroll down to "What Else Do I Need to Know?" and read point f) of section "YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE That".
In summary, it says they are not in any way reaponsible for your data loss. Reading in-between the lines, it basically says, they will have outages, disruptions, or buggy updates and your responsibility is to defend yourself against these events.
[1]: https://evernote.com/legal/terms-of-service
I think you already assumed all these. I only elaborated on it because I saw this many times, even (especially?) with the largest providers like Gmail, AWS etc. And this will continue happening.
I understand (and a bit scared for) that most of the people don't even know how unsafe their data is, however, on HN I would expect everyone is (paranoid enough to) back up their data.
I hope you can recover your notes, and regardless of your success in doing so, please spend an afternoon looking up ToS's of the services you use.
(disclaimer: I worked a bit in the backup sw industry, and yes I have multiple full offline copies of my emails and notes for the past 20+y)
No it's not, and it's interesting that you recognise yourself that it's unhelpful and lead with it anyway with a disingenuous wording of "eventually someone unhelpfully will ask you".
You're just blaming the victim for the failure of the provider. Yes the risk would have been mitigated had they had a backup, and of course that's a very good thing to do but that doesn't make evernote any less culpable nor does it make your question any more legit or any less unhelpful.
In software/Saas somehow people think it's ok to blame the user for not doing things to work around the services provider providing buggy software or an inferior service. Referring to the TOS doesn't change this.
On the proactively constructive side (and although my system is not bulletproof either), everything I _create_ first is stored locally and then a copy is stored server side (note, sent email, photo etc). First safety measure is Syncthing (to replicate to other devices), second safety measure is backup (locally and remotely)
Complicated? Yes. Necessary? After reading ToS's, yes.
The sync works with a bunch of different cloud services and I’ve yet to have a problem with it.
You can read about this era in detail here: https://nira.com/evernote-history/
As we come towards the third quarter of the 2010s, Evernote was being shaped up a bit in terms of non-core products being dropped, on-prem infrastructure being migrated to the cloud and so on but this wasn't without great pains as well.
Not to mention, a non-trivial number of staff appear to have left during that period too which creates a negative feedback loop where the upper tier of potential candidates may be dismissive of an employer like Evernote (if it looks questionable on your CV) which is arguably the type of talent you might need in a period like this where your competitors have true realtime collaborative elements that the market is expecting from you as well as table stakes.
Now after this period, and this is just from my own observations so I don't have any particular stories to link, Ian Small tool over as CEO with a personal focus on continuing to modernise Evernote.
Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4I5cq2DfrSpehLO_71NC...
I can't say how that has been received but I have a lot of respect for the "Behind the Scenes" series that occurred, showing Evernote's technical investments such as:
* Sharding their databases
* Standardising feature sets across mobile. Android might have had features for years that aren't on iOS and vice versa
* Standardising their applications hence the move to Electron. In the context of them needing to move faster, it makes sense to focus on one codebase instead of five, regardless of how you might feel about Electron itself.
While I don't know that Evernote can ever catch up, I have to say I have a lot of kudos for the risk that Ian took in showing us what they're struggling with.
That said, I don't use Evernote so I can't exactly say I feel the pain of their customer base but as far as content that might attract new talent, I think transparency like that is pretty much the gold standard next to having a technical blog and so on.
Then again there are some very irritating things in the new Evernote 10.x versions of which I am constantly thinking: "are they using this feature themselves or am I the only one?".
For example:
* try to move a note to a different notebook. You would thing that the obvious thing to do would be to click on the current notebook name that is shown above the note and then it drops down a list. But no.... You have to hover over the current notebook name, then a _hidden_ button becomes visible, that you have to click and then you can move the note.
* copy&pasting you tube links always shows a videoclip preview. I never want that, I copy and paste a link because I want to save a link thank you very much.
*search through a stack of notebooks still does not work. You can only search through one notebook at a time or through every note.
I’ve been looking for a good Evernote replacement for YEARS, but rely heavily on their OCR stuff to file well over a decade of important documents that I need to be able to call up fast.
I’ve replaced text notes with Bear for years, but for scanning I’ve still got to use Evernote. And that god damned move note UI.
And Apple Notes will name a new scanned-document note with the first words of the OCR'ed text, which I don't think Evernote ever got around to.
Since then I have switched around using Google Keep, Apple Notes, and FastMail Notes for quick and dirty notes on things to do or things to maybe look at in the future.
I consider myself to be a gentleman scientist, I am deeply interested in a small number of technologies. What I most enjoy doing now is organizing things I learn or little code experiments in online books that are easy to update, and eventually retire when I don’t want to maintain them or they no longer seem relevant. Sort of like blogging with more structure.
Sorry for being so off topic here, but it seems too easy to get into long term habits and not occasionally decide what is really worth spending time on. My carefully curated Evernote notes were a waste of time.
- Joplin (Nextcloud sync)
- org-mode (Nextcloud sync)
finally to Logseq (org format, not md) and Nextcloud sync. It feels like I found a solid note taking / life organising / knowledge management solution for me now.
As soon as mobile is working as well I am set for a long time.
I now use the iOS Notes app. It’s good enough, including the sharing feature.
Adding this because I didn't know about it for awhile and maybe someone reading doesn't know - iOS notes includes a pretty good document scanner with the iphone camera. Open a new note and press the camera icon, you can scan multiple pages with the camera and it turns it into a reasonable PDF.
1. Their app was getting buggy to handle on mac/win. The migration was terrible and they had a custom container format for export which was pretty useless. It became like the Hotel California of software. You could bring your stuff in, but never leave due to the lock-in.
I eventually migrated everything out of Evernote by saving printing emailing and started using plain Git on a local server for document save / version control.
2. There was no app for Linux. They made a lot of efforts on windows mac, and then ios/android but left native Linux support completely out of the picture. Evernote in 2015 had a hard time with Wine for emulation.
Tried Evernote back in the day and MS OneNote. Google does cloud sync so much better than anyone else though, even if it has less features.
I switched to Obsidian and am very happy. Obsidian Sync and Obsidian Publish are value for money; and Obsidian+Syncthing is a great option for backing up the notes in a local machine.
Syncthing + your text editor of choice (vim in termux on android is actually pretty good, imo) is a reliable bet. Emacs with org-mode could be used in a similar way. I'm sure there are other combinations as well.
It is just a note taking tool, something that can easily be done with a git repo hosted on github.
To be honest, I cannot say anything about e-note client quality, I have not used it at all (I try to use opensource self-hosting alternatives), but such solutions on backend side, look very odd for me, and not look trustworthy.
Returning to your case, at adequate services, should be possibility to backup your documents yourself, or service should have incremental backups.
So, in such circumstances I will first figure out, if it is possible to make backup myself (and will do backup; and will plan backup frequency based on value of day work for me - for most valued - daily or even few times per day; for less valued - weekly). If self backup impossible, I will ask tech support to return to previous state on server side.
For alternatives, as I know, e-note is best for its cost per client, I think anything else will be more expensive (unfortunately, self hosted FOSS solutions are more expensive, even considering, I trust them much more).
OneNote is nice except it lacks offline support.
Notion is even better with great collaboration but one fatal flaw, no real offline mode.
Evernote was always instant on and with you for the most part, except where it started losing notes on me.
Huh? If you mean purely local, yeah, that's impossible outside the Office app on Windows. But apart from that, OneNote can't even operate without downloading a full local copy of a notebook you open. Any changes you do get applied to the local copy first and then synced to the master copy on OneDrive separately.
OneNote works fine offline but is poor at collaboration and granular sharing and permissions.
Notion is poor at working offline but strong at collaboration and granular sharing/permissions.
Evernote just keeps getting worse. They add things with negative utility (like the annoying new "home" screen that you have to click past to get to your actual notes while basic features like "search", and the app's speed are significantly worse than they were a few years back.
The "Scannable" app used to be great. Really slick scanning of documents on mobile to evernote. A little while ago they added one of those "new user experience" things you have to click through before you use the app. Fair enough I suppose. Except I have to click through it every single time. This grates given I use the app about twice a week.
Then recently, scannable decided to forget my connection to evernote. Every single time I use it. So every time I use it I have to start by clicking through the new user experience and logging into evernote. It used to be I started scannable and in about 2 clicks a doc was in my evernote. Now there's this BS preamble every time.
Edit: I just found iA Writer. It works great!
For me Evernote fails the “you had one job!” test.
SimpleNote has been great to me. You can tell they’re not going to mess with the core recipe either.
Some assembly required of course.
Seriously, it feels so much better IMHO, with atomic rollback and you can export your data out in a non-proprietary format (MD, HTML, PDF) if it comes to difficult choices someday.
Really liked the product, though. I think they're working on offline support so i'm planning to check it out again when that is added.
Edit: looked into this a bit more and they promised offline support "soon" as far back as 2018 so maybe it'd be a good idea not to be too enthusiastic about this...
I'm interested (especially as i tried evernote previously and found it to be 'not for me'), but where's the pricing page [supposed to be]?
Pricing is here: https://www.notion.so/pricing
Our business plan is to charge for collaboration, so Notion is free with no writing limits for personal users. You can pay $4/mo for deeper version history, bigger file uploads, more guest editors, etc; and more per month to use Notion with a team.
I'll send a note to the marketing design team with your feedback.
“What happened to them” is covered in other comments (same thing that’s happened to everything that isn’t dominated by a benevolent vision-possessing dictator of sorts to keep things focused and say no a lot).
https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314-Ins... (Windows/Mac)
I've archived this install package in case the URL dies.
Edit: This is version 7.14.1
These days I just use Apple Notes and it’s been flawless.
Notion looks neat but I’m wary of startups now. I’d probably use SimpleNote if I switched.
I also have a bunch of scattered markdown notes everywhere, wouldn’t be too hard for me to just sync a folder and use something like Typora to make adding images easier.
These days I use VSCode Notes, a pretty minimal extension that suits the way I work.
Don't take VC money for knowledge-base companies. You need thoughtful development for these types of applications and a commitment to the very long term, which is incompatible with VC. Obsidian has fallen into this same trap.
It's the first time I've actually been happy with a notes app. I wish it were open, and there's a few features I wish it had, but it's the best setup I have ever used.
* Linux support (closed beta)
* tags! omg, I hate and love tags!
If you wish to hop on Microsoft land, Microsoft Todo and Onenote seems an adequate combo.
NOTE: blocking ads somehow blocked Onenote. Not sure which config I used, only that it was DNS, and wasn't able to replicate.
IIRC the original developer offered to buy it back from Microsoft but Microsoft refused.
Always open on 1/3 of my screen.
Also, since Simplenote is from Automatic, I am less worried about shown any advertisements or product changing radically.
But also, if you want a good product to stay good, pay for it
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Let’s say you were just hired as the President of a furniture company. The owner says he knows it’s good furniture but even despite huge investments they can’t seem to sell any furniture. Your job is to turn things around.
You start on the factory floor. The furniture is made by a combination of machines and human workers. Some people are employed to set up and configure the machines to make furniture parts. Around 150 people work on actually making furniture, either assembling it, doing quality tests, or setting up and operating the automated machinery. Things aren’t perfect, but you aren’t going to make any changes on your first day so you make some notes and move on.
The furniture hasn’t changed much over the years, it is still basically the same as it was when the furniture store opened. The furniture gets ‘improved’ from time to time, you see a step stool with an alarm clock, a small safe, and a web-cam built into it, but when you ask the foreman he tells you nobody has ever turned on the alarm clock or used the safe or connected the web-cam on any of the step stools. People seem to mainly use the stools so they can reach things that are up high.
There is a problem where sometimes people slip when the stools are wet, so they worked out how to add a nonslip pad, but the product managers have decided that the next feature will be to add scents to the stools, so you can buy a stool that smells like cinnamon or one that smells like apples. They have a big advertising campaign already paid for and they already sent out the press release announcing “ScentedStools”, so the machines need to be set up to start stamping out stools that smell like “Fresh Linen” by the end of the week. There are daily status meetings to update them on the progress. If the “Fresh Linen” stools aren’t being produced by Thursday they are going to start having two status meetings per day.
You hear it’s someone named Jim’s last day, so you set up an exit interview. Jim tells you that the bosses and people upstairs don’t really know what is going on in the factory. Most days he just sits and reads the news, his “nontechnical” manager doesn’t know anything about furniture or how Jim does his job so there’s no way for the manager to know what is going on other than to ask Jim. Supervision primarily consists of making sure Jim is sitting at his desk and looking at his monitor.
Since it is not a Startup thing to set Jim’s specific hours for him to be at work, his manager has started scheduling 9AM meetings every day to force people to turn up. Every week or so Jim has to update some Product Managers upstairs about what is going on, and he just says they are making steady progress and comes up with some specific problem to explain why they aren’t done, pretty much anything with jargon will work since nobody upstairs “could tell white oak from red oak”. It takes about 5 minutes to give his status update but he’s expected to stay for the entire 1 hour meeting, so he brings his laptop so he can read that FurnitureNews website. He says he is quitting to take a much lower paying job because he is bored and doesn’t respect his manager.
Next you go upstairs to the office space and find 300 people having meetings with each other about annual plans and prioritization, writing mission statements and meeting to discuss mission statements. The 300 people upstairs are constantly in motion and complaining about how over worked they are. They each have 5, 6 or even 7 (sometimes more!) 1-hour meetings every day, but you only see them meet with each other, nobody has any meetings with anyone from outside the company, nobody has meetings with possible customers, and only very rarely do you see anyone from the factory floor in these meetings, and then it is almost always just to give a status update. None of these folks really understand furniture very well, they can’t really tell good furniture from bad furniture, they literally don’t know the difference between solid oak and cardboard, they don’t know how long it takes or how much money it costs to build a chair. After a few days of meetings you haven’t met anyone who cares about furniture at all, they all seem to want to work at the furniture factory because it pays well, or they like the prestige of being ‘in furniture’. Mostly they talk about how overworked they are and make the case for hiring a few more people. If they could hire another person for their team they wouldn’t be so far behind. You aren’t sure what they are getting behind in, are they talking about meetings they can’t attend because it conflicts with another meeting that is more important somehow? Do they need more time to work on power point slides for the next days meetings? Some of the office folks have degrees in furniture science, but none of them have ever successfully built or designed any furniture outside of little school projects.
Then you go out behind the factory and see a massive mountain of furniture stacked up to the sky. The factory workers have been building furniture every day for years. People all agree that it is good furniture, maybe the best there is. Nobody ever buys any of it. It’s not sold in any stores. No hotels buy it. No businesses buy it. Lots of people are lined up as far as you can see to pick furniture out of the pile for free.
How do you fix this company?
Hope that clears the matter with you. Please understand that regular HN contributors do not generally engage being paid shill or voting ring members. Some of us happily choose the dignity here over the chaos in paid social media.
>Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.
https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/marketing/corporate-market...
Gitlab said out loud what we were all thinking: companies have automation in place to follow big communities such as HN and notify their developer evangelists and marketing teams and have them reply and create "buzz". Aka, shills :-)
It's a great app and has a lot of things going right for it. They are building a platform for others to also share their customized pages/databases. Tons of templates and resources to learn how to effectively use the tool.
You can try to draw comparisons but I think they and Figma are very innovative products growing in similar ways.
It's like a cult
Just like people who used to like evernote, but not any more.
- Notion Nation
- Roam Legion
- Zettelkasten Zealots
- Bear Bros
PS. Add more ;)
* those who appreciate effortless UX that doesn't ask users to dedicate their lives to learning arcane systems i.e. CLI UIs but allow focusing on life outside computers. Notion is indeed a step forward for the industry for them.
* those who appreciate the responsiveness of CLI and don't mind the learning curve since the investment for them is worth the price. For them, Notion probably doesn't give sufficient control over their workflows and data.
These are justifiable value choices. Calling each other cults only erodes the discussion into name calling. So please don't.
My entire information management pipeline has been overhauled: I know Notion can be a little culty, but it genuinely has improved my performance so drastically I think it is the best thing to happen to me since the internet itself.
