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0 pointskenkeenan14y ago0 comments

Agreed, but some of these questions-- the ones about indent style in particular-- don't seem to me to be the kind of things a developer needs to be thinking about while they're working on getting code written. The endless bickering and bikeshedding that arguments over coding conventions always result in are one thing, but having these arguments with yourself, every time you write a line of code, is crazy!

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ColinWright14y ago· 1 in thread

But the point was exactly not to be making these decisions consciously every time you write code. The point - in agreement with you - was that these decisions are not necessarily important.

The argument is that these decisions are made, whether you are aware of them or not, and in this case Beck was undertaking to understand them in nit-picking detail so they can be made visible and better understood, rather than remaining implicit, ill-understood, and possibly sub-optimal.

The author wasn't advocating that this sort of thing be done of every line of code - that would be ludicrous in the extreme. Don't attack the extreme strawman, try to understand and appreciate the underlying purpose.

In my 35 years of software work, far, far too often I see people concentrating on the pointless - bike-shedding if you will - and sadly, this is another case. Concentrate on the point that matters - understanding the processes and decisions of coding, and not the details of the specific instance.

gruseom14y ago

In my 35 years of software work, far, far too often I see people concentrating on the pointless

The pointless has one great advantage: it is easier to work with. Hard problems are The Unknown, we fear the unknown, and when this fear arises one way to resolve it is by replacing the hard problem with something easier. This is absurd, like the drunk looking for his car keys under the street lamp on the wrong side of the street "because the light's better here", but that doesn't stop us, it just means we do it unconsciously. Now we have a simpler problem that we can concentrate on and (best of all) argue about.

You see this in obvious places like curly brace wars, but there are more interesting examples, such as why editors and version control systems get so much attention. They're important, but not that important. But they're easy to understand and have an opinion about. Better still, they're common across many projects so arguing about them is a way for programmers to socialize.

Perhaps the same pattern is behind our industry's tendency to embrace savior paradigms (Structured Programming, OO, Agile, FP).

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