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0 pointssilisili4y ago0 comments

> Idealists do not force anybody.

The article says quite literally that they did -

Rajapaksa’s government made good on that promise, imposing a nationwide ban on the importation and use of synthetic fertilizers and pesticides and ordering the country’s 2 million farmers to go organic

> So, this is not a failure of idealism. It is a failure of management.

Honestly, this sounds like the 'communism didnt work the last x times because nobody did it right'. I'm not saying you or your idea are wrong, to be clear, but it's impossible to say they did it wrong until a shining example proves that you -can- do it right.

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ncmncm4y ago

There are quite lot of successful organic farms in the US and Europe.

For most of history and pre-history, literally all farms were strictly organic. Those mostly had lower yields, but on the up side they were not responsible for obliterating 90%+ of the world's wildlife.

JoeAltmaier4y ago

That's the nub of it right there. Big Ag uses the techniques they use, because they scale. Organic is labor intensive.

Thus organic food is more expensive, so some people won't afford to eat, which is glossed over in all the hype.

It can be argued that civilization happened when the bulk of people were relieved from farming by technology. Instead of 98% of us slaving away in the mud, today 1-2% do that. I'm not sure it's a step forward, to go back to that.

ncmncm4y ago

"Labor intensive" has a different meaning in places like Sri Lanka than in (e.g.) the US (though I doubt 98% of Sri Lanka still slaves away in the mud). "Costs more", similarly, is probably different.

By the report, the sudden switchover made a 20% reduction in absolute yield, for whatever was the reduction in inputs. That is not surprising for any un-pilot-tested step function change in process. Whether it is really a disaster depends on the cost of the inputs abandoned, which was not reported.

There are very strong incentives for this to be treated and reported as a disaster. Omitting key details from the reporting, as here, helps establish that narrative.

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0 pointssilisili4y ago0 comments

> Idealists do not force anybody.

The article says quite literally that they did -

> So, this is not a failure of idealism. It is a failure of management.

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ncmncm4y ago

There are quite lot of successful organic farms in the US and Europe.

JoeAltmaier4y ago

That's the nub of it right there. Big Ag uses the techniques they use, because they scale. Organic is labor intensive.

Thus organic food is more expensive, so some people won't afford to eat, which is glossed over in all the hype.

ncmncm4y ago

There are very strong incentives for this to be treated and reported as a disaster. Omitting key details from the reporting, as here, helps establish that narrative.

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