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0 pointsJanSt4y ago0 comments

They gonna send nukes because IKEA stopped sending Billy?

I'm not sure Billy will come back that way.

Let's face it: Russia is illegaly invading a foreign country that is fighting back hard. The only way I see out for Russia to save itself is by sending Putin into exile and blame it all on him.

Putin hoped for weakness in the west re sanctions and weapons. They play hardball and now Putin is failing.

edit: I also believe nuclear is the only war Russia could even think about against the west. The army isn't that strong obviously... It is really a bad situation because NOBODY in the west has thought about attacking Russia at all. It is all in their heads. It's just plain stupid.

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itsoktocry4y ago

>The army isn't that strong obviously...

I agree with some of your points, but what do you mean by "strong"? Ukraine is not a cake walk, and the most powerful armies in the world could barely contain poor Afghani warlords. This is not easy.

Consider that much of the news of Russian failure is an information op. The Ukrainians are putting up a valiant fight, but the Russians will run them over without support, no doubt about it.

JanStOP4y ago

Russia is supposedly a superpower with modern equipment. But their material leaks oil, tyres are in terrible condition food is missing, their logistics don't work out, they have no air superiority, they don't even have secure communication. At this point I'd be surprised if that huge convoy will reach Kiyv within the next week or at all...

It shows that you cannot support a huge army in such a poor country (GDP/capita). There was a myth to the russian army, but they barely manage to capture cities in which (according to propaganda) most inhabitans support them.

They wanted a Blitzkrieg and it didn't work out at all. Of course they can keep throwing material and bombs at the cities. They have much more material. But how quickly can they do that? Can they cut off supplies from western countries? Can they keep fighting against Javelins and ambushes?

What's the end game at this point? They will be hated by the population they supposedly wanted to free, the cities will be destroyed and they became an international pariah. Their economy will be in shambles.

Russia did think it would be easy ("will be greeted with flowers and bread")!

itsoktocry4y ago

>Russia is supposedly a superpower with modern equipment. But their material leaks oil, tyres are in terrible condition food is missing, their logistics don't work out, they have no air superiority, they don't even have secure communication.

I'm having trouble reconciling the above sentences. The equipment they have is the equipment they have, it wasn't a mystery to military analysts or the intelligence community, by any means. That doesn't make their military "weak" any more than it makes the American military "weak" for their results in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Reading through the comments in this thread, I wonder how many people think we're getting unbiased analysis of what's happening over there. Do people really think the Russians are completely flailing here? I have a hard time believing it, myself, but I'm no expert.

emptysongglass4y ago

No doubt about it? That's just as much an "information op" as the other side you claim. This war is far from decided and making such baseless claims as Russia steamrolling Ukraine because you've heard somewhere of Russia's fearsome military is irresponsible at best.

itsoktocry4y ago

>No doubt about it? That's just as much an "information op" as the other side you claim.

I guess we'll see, and revisit this comment in the future. Personally, I find it funny that people like yourself don't believe the Russian military is superior to that of the Ukraine after watching a week of YouTube videos.

>heard somewhere of Russia's fearsome military is irresponsible at best.

Irresponsible? Lol get a hold of yourself.

simonh4y ago

Russia doesn't need to save itself, it's not under any existential threat. Sanctions will hurt, but they'll live. The ordinary people will suffer worst, and the elite will have to make do without holidays in France and Italian marble counter tops, but their positions depend on maintaining the oppressive state system.

viraptor4y ago

That sounds reasonable, but I wonder what the real elite-government interaction will be like soon. Oligarchs prop up what the government was doing in exchange for government not bothering them. If there's enough economic impact that they can't be the sponsors of Putin... that agreement may fail.

rectang4y ago

I wonder how the Russian population would feel about Putin using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine if it looks like Russia is losing. Are they that far gone, that inhuman? If they are, what do you do about a country like that, who feels that nuking neighbors after your attempt to conquer them fails is justified? I don't believe the Russian people are that far gone.

fauigerzigerk4y ago

I don't think dropping nukes on Ukraine is something Russia would even consider. It makes absolutely no sense from their perspective.

What I fear is a Cuba crisis style standoff where Russia sets an ultimatum demanding the West stop all arms deliveries to Ukrainian forces, threatening any transit countries (such as Poland) with nukes.

ChuckNorris894y ago

>threatening any transit countries (such as Poland) with nukes

They can threat all they want, but Poland is a NATO member. An attack on Poland will trigger a retaliation from NATO. Not sure Russia wishes to go to war with all of NATO.

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collaborative4y ago

It's not a popular take, but the USSR spawned lots of nationalism in its republics. Soviet ideology held that nationalism is good, and that it would flourish under socialism for the benefit of its "peoples". The reality is that nationalism ended up eating the USSR itself. Nationalism is never good, we are only one humanity, not many

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itsoktocry4y ago

>The army isn't that strong obviously...

I agree with some of your points, but what do you mean by "strong"? Ukraine is not a cake walk, and the most powerful armies in the world could barely contain poor Afghani warlords. This is not easy.

Consider that much of the news of Russian failure is an information op. The Ukrainians are putting up a valiant fight, but the Russians will run them over without support, no doubt about it.

JanStOP4y ago

Russia did think it would be easy ("will be greeted with flowers and bread")!

itsoktocry4y ago

emptysongglass4y ago

itsoktocry4y ago

>No doubt about it? That's just as much an "information op" as the other side you claim.

>heard somewhere of Russia's fearsome military is irresponsible at best.

Irresponsible? Lol get a hold of yourself.

simonh4y ago

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rectang4y ago

fauigerzigerk4y ago

I don't think dropping nukes on Ukraine is something Russia would even consider. It makes absolutely no sense from their perspective.

ChuckNorris894y ago

>threatening any transit countries (such as Poland) with nukes

They can threat all they want, but Poland is a NATO member. An attack on Poland will trigger a retaliation from NATO. Not sure Russia wishes to go to war with all of NATO.

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collaborative4y ago

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