Germany demilitarized after WW2 and decided to use diplomacy and economic integration to ensure peace, instead of war. And they tried to play nice with Russia, after they killed 27 million Russians in WW2. Now everyone is acting like Putin going mad is Germany's fault. Now everybody wants Germany to be a military power again. The last two times they were, the world burned.
And yes, the German approach to reign in Russia failed. But so did the US approach of treating Russia as an enemy forever.
Edit: i dont think projecting this back on the us is the right approach. The us showed its not ready to appease a country that sponsored dictators, assassinated journalists and enslaved its own citizens. I see a few germans here and there feeling guilt for what germany did to russia, but what about what germany did to east europe? It invaded those countries making them weaker for russia to take. East europe forgave german war reparation debts and now germany is barely doing anything. Where it the guilt for that?
Just check out where that sweet EU money is coming from. Think about where Eastern European people migrate to for work. Think about who is building factories and industry in these countries.
And many if these countries are in NATO, so Germany is literally willing to go to war for their protection.
Germany just can't win in this situation. Someone will always figure out a way to claim it's the Germans faults and that they still owe from WW2.
Germany is trying to be less militaristic because of WW2 and now Germanies victims from back them are complaining about Germany not being more militaristic.
What do you want them to be?
Where do the sweet german money come from? East Europe accounts for 15% of german exports.
This needs to stop really, we are all in this. There is no hate in having disagreements, as there is not hate in germany being proud of its economy.
But we are all in this together. We all depend on each other. And its fine to disagree but not when it comes to security and thats what i mean by germany not doing enough. I am not saying germany is a total slacker, i am saying we need to move fast and show unity. We’ll argue in the eu parliament thereafter and it wont be hate.
Edit: sorry, the only reason i brought ww2 into this is in reply to you bringing it and stating that germany dhows compassion towards russia for what it did in ww2 and i said but where is the compassion for east europe.
Germany is of colossal help to europe and is an undeniable positive player in european affairs. Period.
Although they're geographically between Russia and us, so there's that.
Anyway we can keep disagreeing all day about this. There is absolutely no hate towards germans or germany, i am not sure where this comes from. I imagine east europeans can also claim germans hate them for calling them cheap labour and the south europeans for calling them lazy and it would lead nowhere and so on.
Germany is part and parcel of a free european history and germans are loved. End of story.
Orban is Hungary for example is a despot quite similar to Putin and has been spending years of stealing EU money for him and his friends.
I don't feel like fighting in drenches for this guy. I would for many Hungarian people, but not really for the ones that are fostering hate against my Muslim neighbors or the ones that steal the EU money that is meant to prop up the Hungarian economy.
The german media also does a good job at creating an image of east europeans being criminal and south europeans being lazy.
As does the british media portray germany as a treacherous country.
But those are petty politics on all sides and not hatred. Hatred is declaring war and stating that your country shouldnt exist and denying that your people are a fake people.
Europe can only defend by sticking together. I am 100% sure that poland will go to war for germany in a heartbeat as would ANY country in nato and the eu.
But indeed we need to stop the petty politics of calling each other names and imposing diktats on allies.
Orbans corrupt and polands politics are lame, but no where near the danger we are facing. We’ll sort these two out and germany’s diktats in the eu parliament without tanks and bullets because we dont hate each other we just behave like the siblings that we are.
Solution is simple: force Russia to demilitarize. Put sanctions on them until they do.
