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0 pointssudosysgen4y ago0 comments

That's really not true. The US put massive pressure on NATO under Bush Jr for Ukraine to join NATO, but Ukraine eventually faltered. They formalized a position that Ukraine was able to join NATO, and put a lot of pressure on France and Germany so that it would be that way.

Eventually, Euromaidan happened and Ukraine tried to cash into those overtures, but the West wasn't ready to back it up.

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rdtsc4y ago

That’s the Georgia playbook as well. They encouraged Georgia to fight the Russians. Georgians lost territory and lives and the American and Western allies shrugged and said “oh well, that’s unfortunate”.

rosndo4y ago

Your comment implies that Georgia might have had better ways out of that situation, that’s probably not true.

foverzar4y ago

Trying to solve an ancient ethnic conflict by force was definitely not the best way to go.

Expecting that western countries will start a third world war just to help you get rid of all those inconvenient Russian peacekeepers was simply stupid.

It seems to me that people often seem to forget that Georgia was never a "good guy" in that conflict: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian–Ossetian_conflict

rdtsc4y ago

> Your comment implies that Georgia might have had better ways out of that situation, that’s probably not true.

Georgia was pushed and encouraged by Western allies which then turn away and abandoned it.

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0 pointssudosysgen4y ago0 comments

Eventually, Euromaidan happened and Ukraine tried to cash into those overtures, but the West wasn't ready to back it up.

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rdtsc4y ago

rosndo4y ago

Your comment implies that Georgia might have had better ways out of that situation, that’s probably not true.

foverzar4y ago

Trying to solve an ancient ethnic conflict by force was definitely not the best way to go.

Expecting that western countries will start a third world war just to help you get rid of all those inconvenient Russian peacekeepers was simply stupid.

It seems to me that people often seem to forget that Georgia was never a "good guy" in that conflict: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian–Ossetian_conflict

rdtsc4y ago

> Your comment implies that Georgia might have had better ways out of that situation, that’s probably not true.

Georgia was pushed and encouraged by Western allies which then turn away and abandoned it.

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