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0 pointsmacilacilove4y ago0 comments

You dont need any propaganda machine to see that countries that are furthest from the conflict geographically and economically have the least to lose. That is why the warmongerist representing US/UK war efforts in every conflict is so excited about the situation.

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unclebucknasty4y ago

Having little to lose is not a rationale for doing something.

You've still not explained how the West is the aggressor in the face of the continued overt Russian military aggression that we can all see.

Regular-Former4y ago

One reason to incentive warmongering I assume is domestic politics in the Western countries: Biden's and Boris Johnson approval ratings are pretty low, and nothing better than war to give it a boost. Take Johnson for instance: some days ago the news was his parties during the pandemic, but, alas, not anymore.

macilaciloveOP4y ago

Ukraine is at the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe, where Western powers regularly encourage color revolutions bringing the country to a point of civil war. "The west" has virually no skin in the game but leaders would prefer Russia sanctioned and isolated so that once again US has unchallanged superpower status.

Meanwhile, as discussed, Russia, Ukraine and EU have a lot to lose in a devastating and bitter war. At the same time Russia is obliged to keep stability and relative prosperity in the region for its citizens at home and Russian nationals abroad.

The best route for Russia is to defend the status quo as passively as possible while waiting for the Ukrainians to realize that for the "west" Ukraine's destruction is about as good as Russia's. And I think this route is feasible for Putin, so this will happen(not much).

unclebucknasty4y ago

Aside from the fact that some of your statements are plainly incorrect, you're claiming that the U.S. is fomenting war simply because it wants "unchallenged superpower status".

That is obviously quite vague and unrevealing. A very elementary assertion that elides calls for verifiable facts.

Worse, Russia has rolled tanks in the region, annexed territory, and continues to fight a separatist war. The idea that they are somehow not the aggressor completely defies all reason and observable reality.

Likewise, the idea that they are somehow keeping stability and prosperity in the region through their overtly imperialistic military aggression in an otherwise peaceful context is directly contrary to the reality. Ukraine simply wishes to remain a free and sovereign democratic nation. If Russia were not invading and threatening them, there would be no conflict.

Three comments later, and you have still failed to explain how the West is the aggressor.

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unclebucknasty4y ago

Having little to lose is not a rationale for doing something.

You've still not explained how the West is the aggressor in the face of the continued overt Russian military aggression that we can all see.

Regular-Former4y ago

macilaciloveOP4y ago

unclebucknasty4y ago

Aside from the fact that some of your statements are plainly incorrect, you're claiming that the U.S. is fomenting war simply because it wants "unchallenged superpower status".

That is obviously quite vague and unrevealing. A very elementary assertion that elides calls for verifiable facts.

Three comments later, and you have still failed to explain how the West is the aggressor.

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