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0 pointspjmlp4y ago0 comments

It gained traction on Android thanks to Google pushing it over their creptic Java implementation, while pretending anything beyond Java 8 never happened.

It will follow the path of every other JVM guest language.

I will care when the JVM gets a single line of Kotlin commit.

Google should just buy JetBrains and rename ART into KVM.

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BoorishBears4y ago

This is being too charitable to Java imo, after all we had stuff like Retrolambda at the time.

Kotlin exists because Java moved like molasses for years

If Java had moved like C# it'd be a much nicer language today, and Kotlin wouldn't be needed.

Even comparing Kotlin 1.0 to today's Java nearly 6 years later would favor Kotlin for ergonomics with stdlib, nullability, reified generics, and syntax

pjmlpOP4y ago

Retrolambda, yet another kludge, instead of invokedynamic calls.

Kotlin exists because JetBrains wants your money, that is all.

> The next thing is also fairly straightforward: we expect Kotlin to drive the sales of IntelliJ IDEA. We’re working on a new language, but we do not plan to replace the entire ecosystem of libraries that have been built for the JVM. So you’re likely to keep using Spring and Hibernate, or other similar frameworks, in your projects built with Kotlin. And while the development tools for Kotlin itself are going to be free and open-source, the support for the enterprise development frameworks and tools will remain part of IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate, the commercial version of the IDE. And of course the framework support will be fully integrated with Kotlin.

https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2011/08/why-jetbrains-need...

Outside Android, I will care about Kotlin when KVM becomes an unavoidable reality, until then, it can party with Beanshell, jTCL, Jython, JRuby, Scala. Closjure, Groovy, Frege, and plenty of other ones,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_JVM_languages

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