No, because we don't know how much fraud people got away with.
How is this fraud supposed to occur?
Is the ballot to citizen A intercepted, filled-in, signed with a reasonable facsimile of A's signature, and returned?
Without A asking noticing the ballot never came, so asking for a second ballot? Do you think receiving multiple ballots purporting to be from A would go unnoticed by the elections office?
And the list of who voted is in the public record, so if A didn't vote, and finds that there was a vote in A's name in the last election - or if someone contacts A to double-checks if A actually did vote - then that will stand out too.
Must have been ninjas. Only ninjas are that good.
I see no reason why country with long tradition in subverting democracy around the planet wouldn't engage with this type of activity locally. After all it is clear that they have no respect for democracy elsewhere so why at home where profits are even greater.
That sort of fraud isn't unique to mail-in voting.
This is news to me, and I'm having a hard time searching for information about it. Can you link me to where this record is?
> so if A didn't vote, and finds that there was a vote in A's name in the last election - or if someone contacts A to double-checks if A actually did vote - then that will stand out too.
Has there ever been an election at any level that you didn't vote in despite being eligible to? Did you check this public record to make sure nobody voted as you? Has anyone ever contacted you to ask if you actually voted in an election that you did vote in? These things are all possible, sure, but they're rare enough in practice that there's plenty of gaps for fraud to slip through.
It's public record, but it's usually available on request with agreements as to legitimate use. The exact contents differ by state, and the application may be through the state or county election office. There is a rough summary here: https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/access... but it's not entirely accurate (e.g., it doesn’t indicate vote history—whether, not how, a voter voted in particular past elections—is available in CA, but it definitely is. e.g., the Sacramento County request form has a box to check to include it https://elections.saccounty.net/Documents/Application%20to%2...
How can you be so sure that the current system is so insecure when you don't know how the current system works and what safeguards are in place?
https://www.votebrevard.gov/Statistics-and-Data/Request-Vote...
] Voter registration information is public record in Florida with a few exceptions. Information such as your social security number, driver’s license number, Florida ID number, signature, where a voter registered to vote, and where a voter updated a registration cannot be released or disclosed to the public. Other information such as your name, address, date of birth, party affiliation, and when you voted is public information.
"Looking Up Your Voting Record Is as Easy as Opening an App" - https://news.yahoo.com/want-look-voting-record-options-03222...
] If you're interested in looking up your voting record, there are a few ways of doing so online. Your voting record contains your voter registration information and voting history as maintained by your state, and is publicly available.
Download NC data from the state, at https://www.ncsbe.gov/results-data/voter-history-data
] Current Voter History Data / What’s included? Files contain a data entry for each election in which a voter participated in the past 10 years. Voter registration number, NCID, party affiliation, county, and precinct, as well as voting method (e.g., in-person on Election Day, absentee by mail) are included.
The details of what you can get, and how public things are, depends on where you are. What state do you live in?
> Did you check this public record to make sure nobody voted as you?
You know that's not the way statistics work, right?
It's not "I didn't vote and therefore X could impersonate me."
It's "X is going to impersonate me but doesn't know if I'm going to vote."
It takes only a few mistakes for X to be detected.
And it requires more than a few votes to change any but a few rare close elections.
> Has anyone ever contacted you to ask if you actually voted in an election that you did vote in?
Again, that's not the way statistics works.
I know people have contacted voters to verify they voted because I've read articles about people doing that.
If impersonation fraud is rampant and systemic then it can be identified by a small random sample. Which is unlikely to include any specific person.
If it is rare, then it's unlikely to affect any election. While still risking legal consequences if caught.
And indeed, it's rare, and people are indeed caught.
So either everybody is really, really good at fraud, or the numbers are really, really tiny.
False dichotomy. The system is set up such that it's comically easy to commit fraud and incredibly difficult to detect it. Imagine a take-home multiple choice math test that says no calculators are allowed. Would you believe that almost nobody used a calculator on it just because almost nobody got caught doing so? Of course not, because you don't have to be really, really good at cheating to get away with it on a test set up like that.
So I'm not going to get sucked into it. If you have a point to make, make it on the original question, not on one you've tuned to give you the answer that you want.
How would showing id fix the problem?
