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0 pointsterr-dav4y ago0 comments

It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

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voz_4y ago

This is not grounded in reality. Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. If you want to see an apartheid, go look at any other country in the middle east. Let's see how Jewish representation looks there...?

gambiting4y ago

If I can quote someone else for putting it much better than I would:

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ndik83/south_afr...

"Israel is the nation state of Jews alone" Netanyahu responds to TV star saying Arabs are equal citizens (2019):

source: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-is-the-n...

DSingularity4y ago

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s Apartheid?

0xcde4c3db4y ago

> Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government.

This point is scarcely more than a deflection; the fulcrum of Israel's apartheid regime consists primarily in which Arabs are permitted to be citizens, and in particular those whose parents and grandparents were violently driven from Israel's current territory in what Palestinian Arabs call the Nakba [1]. The Israeli government blatantly wants to both claim the right to authorize violence in the occupied territories and blame the nominal governments of those territories for that violence. And however you want to frame the conflict philosophically, the practical reality is that the IDF has vastly more capacity to enact violence than do Hezbollah or Hamas. When was the last time either of them leveled a 10+-story apartment building in Israel [2]?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

[2] https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/05/12/gaza-al-shorouk-...

nayaketo4y ago

How many Arab nations allow Jews that migrated to Israel back to their countries? Or are Arabs allowed exclusionary policies and only Israel has to be different to not be labelled as "apartheid" by the woke ones?

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tsimionescu4y ago

Many countries in the Middle East are islamic theocracies, so they limit religious freedom by their very constitution. However, even in Iran, a person of Jewish heritage who converts to Islam should not have any (official legal) barriers to entry in political life. In a country ruled by a church, that seems relatively reasonable.

bhelkey4y ago

I believe the comment was referring to 'a person of Jewish heritage' who do not convert to Islam.

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kome4y ago

you forgot about palestine.

voz_4y ago

They are their own government, with their own people, who readily elected a terrorist group to leadership.

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yonixw4y ago

Yep, like that disgusting incident on 2005 where they gave up their land... and their control... they are the worst. Who else is at fault to what happened in Gaza? The apartheid of curse. Disgusting!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz...

gambiting4y ago

Here's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal:

https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...

yonixw4y ago

You do know this is a Conflict? Never denied both parties are fighting. Here is of course the counter list [1]. But while I'm just against the commenter one-siding of the situation. You are trying to make it a one-side crime again... which again... very wrong. Here is a quote just to show how not one sided it is:

[1] "... A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and opposed by 19%"

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence...

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mysterEFrank4y ago

This blames Israel for 9/11, what a joke.

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weatherlite4y ago

HN is quickly deteriorating to Gab/Zero Hedge quality, nice.

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ak394y ago

Have they given up West Bank yet?

alphakilo4y ago

All Israelis have equal rights, why do you say Israel an apartheid state?

terr-davOP4y ago

All people residing in Israel do not have equal rights. Why do you think they have equal rights?

ciphol4y ago

That's true in every country. Citizens and noncitizens have unequal rights.

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KennyBlanken4y ago

Equal rights apart from not being able to "lease" ~15% of the total land area in the country which is owned by a religious organization that does not lease land to non-Jewish people.

FridayoLeary4y ago

Private religious organisation != the state of Israel.

While we are on the subject, did you know that it's illegal for an Arab in the self-governed parts of West Bank to sell land to a Jew? And that the official penalty for doing so is death?

Also, take a look at the awful governments in West Bank and Gaza and how they abuse their citizens. You don't see hordes of opressed Israeli Arabs fleeing to the Gaza Strip do you?

odiroot4y ago

[Citation needed]

That's a very bold claim.

snird4y ago

This is a lie, and you have an agenda.

The "United Arab List" is part of the current government (!) not of the parliament, but the government itself that is formed. Representing many Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List

Anyone who repeats the lie of "apartheid" is either malinformed, or has some antisemitic agenda to pro

bobbylarrybobby4y ago

Even if someone were unfairly anti-Israel, why would that imply they’re also antisemitic?

weatherlite4y ago

Well because it's a Jewish country. And one of the only countries in the world threatened with annihilation by some of its neighbors. When 77 years ago Jews were indeed being exterminated all over the world. This very unique situation warrants someone to at least be careful with the tone and choice of words he uses when criticizing Israel.

snird4y ago

If he is not being malinformed, what other reason does he have to spread lies about Israel?

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voz_4y ago

gambiting4y ago

If I can quote someone else for putting it much better than I would:

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ndik83/south_afr...

"Israel is the nation state of Jews alone" Netanyahu responds to TV star saying Arabs are equal citizens (2019):

source: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-is-the-n...

DSingularity4y ago

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s Apartheid?

0xcde4c3db4y ago

> Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

[2] https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/05/12/gaza-al-shorouk-...

nayaketo4y ago

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tsimionescu4y ago

bhelkey4y ago

I believe the comment was referring to 'a person of Jewish heritage' who do not convert to Islam.

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kome4y ago

you forgot about palestine.

voz_4y ago

They are their own government, with their own people, who readily elected a terrorist group to leadership.

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yonixw4y ago

Yep, like that disgusting incident on 2005 where they gave up their land... and their control... they are the worst. Who else is at fault to what happened in Gaza? The apartheid of curse. Disgusting!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz...

gambiting4y ago

Here's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal:

https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...

yonixw4y ago

[1] "... A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and opposed by 19%"

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence...

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mysterEFrank4y ago

This blames Israel for 9/11, what a joke.

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weatherlite4y ago

HN is quickly deteriorating to Gab/Zero Hedge quality, nice.

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ak394y ago

Have they given up West Bank yet?

alphakilo4y ago

All Israelis have equal rights, why do you say Israel an apartheid state?

terr-davOP4y ago

All people residing in Israel do not have equal rights. Why do you think they have equal rights?

ciphol4y ago

That's true in every country. Citizens and noncitizens have unequal rights.

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KennyBlanken4y ago

Equal rights apart from not being able to "lease" ~15% of the total land area in the country which is owned by a religious organization that does not lease land to non-Jewish people.

FridayoLeary4y ago

Private religious organisation != the state of Israel.

While we are on the subject, did you know that it's illegal for an Arab in the self-governed parts of West Bank to sell land to a Jew? And that the official penalty for doing so is death?

Also, take a look at the awful governments in West Bank and Gaza and how they abuse their citizens. You don't see hordes of opressed Israeli Arabs fleeing to the Gaza Strip do you?

odiroot4y ago

[Citation needed]

That's a very bold claim.

snird4y ago

This is a lie, and you have an agenda.

The "United Arab List" is part of the current government (!) not of the parliament, but the government itself that is formed. Representing many Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_List

Anyone who repeats the lie of "apartheid" is either malinformed, or has some antisemitic agenda to pro

bobbylarrybobby4y ago

Even if someone were unfairly anti-Israel, why would that imply they’re also antisemitic?

weatherlite4y ago

snird4y ago

If he is not being malinformed, what other reason does he have to spread lies about Israel?

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