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0 pointslumost4y ago0 comments

Would it really penalize disadvantaged households? I’d imagine that many such students lack a co-signer for these predatory loans, or would be further disadvantaged by a 200k degree that doesn’t meaningfully change their economic outcomes in 2022. To make college work you need to pick a dwindling number of high leverage disciplines such as CS, even picking something technical like Chemistry won’t yield a return on a 200k degree.

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namelessoracle4y ago

From what i hear you need at least a Masters degree in Chemistry to get lab assistant style jobs at entry level now :(

And no, they do NOT make good money.

yxwvut4y ago

I think the only tenable solutions are 1) a ceiling on the loan amount tethered to public college costs to increase price elasticity and prevent runaway costs, along with a quota on loans to address the 'future ability to repay' issue with many majors/low caliber schools 2) free public college (or equivalent private college voucher)

Giving out loans with no cap on how much schools can charge and with no ability-to-repay check is a recipe for catastrophe.

I think option 2 is the best equitable outcome but is probably politically unsavory given the heterogeneity in public school costs/quality across states (which typically aligns with political divides).

lotsofpulp4y ago

Option 2 is the only tenable solution. Option 1 is just more of the same we have now.

Either society puts their money where their mouth is and actually pays for people to be educated, or they can choose to keep taxes lower and let people fend for themselves. Either of these options is fine, but the bullshit blank check taxpayer funded loans non dischargeable in bankruptcy is only good for politicians and taxpayers today at the expense of taxpayers and members of society tomorrow.

lumostOP4y ago

The pertinent question of where the money goes needs an answer. Afaict universities are simply spending money on more things because they can or taking on debt to drive prestige projects.

We know college can be cheaper, Brigham young goes for 5k/yr, European and Canadian schools still charge less than 10k/yr.

lotsofpulp4y ago

The answer would be investigated and evident if proper underwriting had to be done and there was not an unlimited guarantee from future taxpayers to make good on the debt.

selimthegrim4y ago

Brigham and Women’s will be delighted to know they acquired a university. Didn’t know they turned Mormon though.

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ryan934y ago

What do you mean educated. Like 80% of degrees are useless. My Econ degree is a primary example of useless degrees.

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namelessoracle4y ago

From what i hear you need at least a Masters degree in Chemistry to get lab assistant style jobs at entry level now :(

And no, they do NOT make good money.

yxwvut4y ago

Giving out loans with no cap on how much schools can charge and with no ability-to-repay check is a recipe for catastrophe.

lotsofpulp4y ago

Option 2 is the only tenable solution. Option 1 is just more of the same we have now.

lumostOP4y ago

The pertinent question of where the money goes needs an answer. Afaict universities are simply spending money on more things because they can or taking on debt to drive prestige projects.

We know college can be cheaper, Brigham young goes for 5k/yr, European and Canadian schools still charge less than 10k/yr.

lotsofpulp4y ago

The answer would be investigated and evident if proper underwriting had to be done and there was not an unlimited guarantee from future taxpayers to make good on the debt.

selimthegrim4y ago

Brigham and Women’s will be delighted to know they acquired a university. Didn’t know they turned Mormon though.

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ryan934y ago

What do you mean educated. Like 80% of degrees are useless. My Econ degree is a primary example of useless degrees.

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