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0 pointsnoahtallen4y ago0 comments

What would it be like if the goals of that subreddit were accomplished?

- Would it be that most people could choose not to work? (I.e under some kind of UBI program?) I’d like to not have to work ;)

- Would it be that the benefits and pay for many jobs would be vastly improved? That also sounds pretty nice.

- Maybe it’d be that companies have to compete harder to be actually nice places to work. Also a good thing.

What exactly would be to our detriment? Something about lack of work ethic? But why does that really matter? Is it so that we can maintain technical prowess? But why is that important?

What if we were happier and less stressed instead? We’re really failing hard in America to consider our economic systems from the perspective of human flourishing and quality of life.

So, I find your comment very strange. What are you so scared of with the movement for better working conditions such that you want it to be outright banned from the internet?

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mgh24y ago

The phone and computer you are using, the vaccine that protects you from covid, the medicines that keep you living when you get sick, these are the products of thousand years of hard work from past generations.

People wanting to "abolish work" may rather leech on society, it is a consequence of social media brainwashing: gambling, crypto, FIRE, 4hww, etc. These concepts have wide scale, harmful implications for the future of humanity

Apocryphon4y ago

It’s funny that you mention 4hww, because the affiliate marketing/monetizing one’s blogging or podcasting brand hustle to create passive income is absolutely piddling pennies compared to the rent-seeking methods used by the ruling classes to generate wealth without actually producing anything. If there’s ever a tribunal for the hysterical prosecution of those responsible for harmful economic implications, the credulous folks who try to make money through dropshipping or retire via FIRE will be far back in line compared to those malefactors of great wealth who actually work in the other FIRE.

gremlinsinc4y ago

> People wanting to "abolish work" may rather leech on society, it is a consequence of social media brainwashing: gambling, crypto, FIRE, 4hww, etc. These concepts have wide scale, harmful implications for the future of humanity

Leech on society... I think you've got this backwards. The "leech on society" is all rent-seekers.

Maybe we should ban landlords, seems they're pretty leechy by just holding onto a residence so they can make people who can't really afford it, pay them just for the privilege of having a bed to sleep in....

mgh24y ago

Blame boomers, for you will become like them: grow or die. This is the harsh reality.

Should a doctor or nurse be paid as a restaurant or retail worker? Who is the "essential" worker? Look at the market, tech is becoming more essential, not services.

If you don't upgrade your skills and stay stagnant, you will be decimated. If you are young, you can still learn and adapt, change careers and industries.

You cannot afford to think like a boomer anymore: adapt or die. This is the harsh reality.

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pydry4y ago

Are you arguing against:

* What you feel /r/antiwork stands for based upon your interpretation of the title?

* What a couple of anonymous posters on the forum wrote?

* What the essays in the FAQ actually argue for?

neilwilson4y ago

"Would it be that most people could choose not to work?"

It means you are exploiting those who grow the food you eat and produce the services you consume for nothing material in return.

From the remaining workers point of view, since there is nothing material available, it would be better not to produce the surplus consumed by those choosing not to work and have Friday off instead.

Stuff doesn't make itself. Most of us work in solidarity with the farmers and the service workers that make our comfortable lives possible.

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0 pointsnoahtallen4y ago0 comments

What would it be like if the goals of that subreddit were accomplished?

- Would it be that most people could choose not to work? (I.e under some kind of UBI program?) I’d like to not have to work ;)

- Would it be that the benefits and pay for many jobs would be vastly improved? That also sounds pretty nice.

- Maybe it’d be that companies have to compete harder to be actually nice places to work. Also a good thing.

What exactly would be to our detriment? Something about lack of work ethic? But why does that really matter? Is it so that we can maintain technical prowess? But why is that important?

What if we were happier and less stressed instead? We’re really failing hard in America to consider our economic systems from the perspective of human flourishing and quality of life.

So, I find your comment very strange. What are you so scared of with the movement for better working conditions such that you want it to be outright banned from the internet?

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mgh24y ago

Apocryphon4y ago

gremlinsinc4y ago

Leech on society... I think you've got this backwards. The "leech on society" is all rent-seekers.

mgh24y ago

Blame boomers, for you will become like them: grow or die. This is the harsh reality.

Should a doctor or nurse be paid as a restaurant or retail worker? Who is the "essential" worker? Look at the market, tech is becoming more essential, not services.

If you don't upgrade your skills and stay stagnant, you will be decimated. If you are young, you can still learn and adapt, change careers and industries.

You cannot afford to think like a boomer anymore: adapt or die. This is the harsh reality.

1 more reply

pydry4y ago

Are you arguing against:

* What you feel /r/antiwork stands for based upon your interpretation of the title?

* What a couple of anonymous posters on the forum wrote?

* What the essays in the FAQ actually argue for?

neilwilson4y ago

"Would it be that most people could choose not to work?"

It means you are exploiting those who grow the food you eat and produce the services you consume for nothing material in return.

From the remaining workers point of view, since there is nothing material available, it would be better not to produce the surplus consumed by those choosing not to work and have Friday off instead.

Stuff doesn't make itself. Most of us work in solidarity with the farmers and the service workers that make our comfortable lives possible.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse