I tried to reset my password, but they blocked the whole account, it seems to me that they even deleted the account from the database as they could not locate the ID of other information (name, mail, etc.). Coming from another OS, one can imagine that you can swap two IDs and continue, but ... NO! Here you need to provide a password to log out, but since my account has been deleted, I don't have any password. Also, one can imagine that a +2000$ machine designed for "professional" users can actually recover from these types of errors using magic links or text messages. They wanted me to wait for an appointment with the service. Just to reset an account!!
Why did I reinstall all? Every 30 seconds, a message appears asking me to check the ID.
TL;DR: Adult human crying.
It makes me sad that we now have to treat a MacOS initial setup as a hostile experience, the same way as setting up Windows 10 for an offline user account and intentionally not creating a microsoft account. The number of steps and dark pattern UI things a Windows 10 Home or Pro user has to jump through in the initial install to create a local-only account is really quite amazing. I just did a fresh install of a win10 home VM recently and ran into this.
Two of the reasons I switched from a FreeBSD desktop environment to MacOS back in the 10.4 days (Tiger?) was because of the switch to the Intel CPUs with the first gen Macbook Pro, and that MacOS had become a fairly refined, polished desktop environment with a CLI, macports, and a decent selection of applications.
Not only is apple now hostile but it's actively dangerous and harmful to its users' data, as shown in the example linked in this post, because if you go with the "online" apple account you risk getting locked out of everything you were using on a regular day-to-day basis.
Now if we have to think of Apple as a hostile entity that is doing the same shit as microsoft, it makes me very disappointed.
It's sad and disappointing but not surprising in any way. The immutable truth is we simply can't trust these companies. We need to cut them out of our lives as much as humanly possible.
Linux is flawed but it's ours. I hope we continue to have unlocked computers to run it on forever.
If you want iCloud or Apple Music you can set those up with your AppleID later (I cannot imagine wanting iCloud but that's just me).
I suggest revisiting and if it’s not for you, that’s fine. But otherwise, yeah never sign-in with Apple.
At least they are not agressive about it, unlike Windows 10 or even 11 home which doesn’t even allow local accounts.
Did Apple hire the guy in charge of Windows 10 user accounts?
Obviously this issue of needing to change accounts is problematic and I can see resetting your account password through your Apple ID to be a pro/con depending on the person. Is there something else I’m missing?
When setting up, create a local account first. You’ll have an opportunity to later log into your AppleID for use with messages, FaceTime, App Store, etc.
You can also switch to a local sign in account after the fact. This may have changed in recent versions, but try going to system preferences and selecting to reset your password. You should see an option to switch to a local account for sign in, which will only impact the log in process. You’ll still be able to keep your id associated for all of the other benefits.
You don't need to login to the laptop with your Apple ID to do that, you just need to put your account into messenger.
It's meant for theft protection but it causes us headaches at work when employees have left and used their personal Apple ID. Apple will disable it but only if you can prove ownership.
At least OP was able to contact Apple support,
1. I couldn't delete my Facebook account because my startup FB page backup isn't getting generated and there's no way to reach the support[1].
2. LinkedIn has fingerprinted my account login from a particular browser/OS that I'm unable to login via any other browser/OS(In the same network).
[1] https://abishekmuthian.com/meta-is-holding-my-facebook-page-...
The AppleID you use is used for the AppStore and iCloud (you can use different ones and to some extend multiple ones). Usually you create an additional AppleID for just buying/downloading sofware from the AppStore, just like you would do on Android or the Microsoft store. Same deal here. And use a different iCloud account, if you want to use any of it's offerings.
If an account is locked or disasbled you usually just reset the password as one of both is usually done on suspicious login attempts.
Never heard of what the OP descibes, unless it is a pre-owned device still associated with a different account or some enterprise management profile in installed. Both should not be the case if he just bought it from Apple directly.
In any case sounds more like an issue with the device itself than the AppleID. But I can just speculate here, which is ofc not helpful for the OP.
For this reason, I always leave it off, and recommend everybody does the same.
However, the Mac is still usable and they can reboot into Recovery mode to download and re-install the OS. Not sure about Find My (for iPad/iPhone), as it's an anti-theft feature it can't be disabled or factory reset.
Weird. I rotate my password on a regular basis and I’ve never had this happen. I wonder what service triggers it for you.
You can also log into the OS with an Apple ID but also not required.
i recently walked a friend through setting up a their MacBook Air M1. and, like you said, i told them to skip setting an Apple ID. that it was not necessary.
but the first setup doesn't allow you to skip. or didn't make it obvious how to do so. (dark pattern?)
i suppose one could use keyboard shortcuts, or install in safe mode, etc... but for the regular users won't be able to skip that step.
At least, on Android you can use the Aurora store, or install .apk files manually... but that's another story.
Can it be kept updated with system updates? Don't know any more.
edit: Just to clarify, I'm sure that it was a false-positive and Apple mishandled the situation in the worst manner possible. Don't trust Apple your money and data.
not a fanboy though i may sound like one. don’t get me wrong. i have my fair share of gripes with apple, but the way apple id makes my life better is not a bad trade off.
What is this? Some kind of Axis of Sanity?
I thought there was a quick, scriptable command-line method of downloading xcode:
xcode-select --installPD: Apple, fix this anyway please.
Do you have an screenshot and a photo of the bricked macbook? It adds a lot of realism to the complain.
Anecdote time: My wife bought a new Android phone and gave me her older phone. After a factory reset, the old phone asked for her gmail account before I could add my gmail account. It's a nice anti thief feature, but it surprised me a lot!!! (What happens if you want to sell a used phone?)
Yet this is still safe as you need your unlock code to remove an account, even if the phone is already unlocked
The word “unlocked” in the context of phones usually implies the lack of a carrier lock on the device as originally manufactured and sold. It is not precisely correct to refer to phones originally locked to a carrier as unlocked when offering them for sale without disclosing any original carrier lock, as there are differences in supported frequency bands depending on the jurisdiction the phone was sold in that may make it incompatible with some carriers, whereas “factory unlocked” phones of the same model are usually world band phones and support all common carrier frequencies.
To recap: it’s fine to refer to phones which have had an unlock code applied to them as unlocked. To differentiate phones which came unlocked when originally manufactured, this second group of phones is referred to as “factory unlocked.”
Sorry to be pendantic, and this isn’t directed at OP. Most of this is inside baseball and is only important when buying or selling phones secondhand, in order to make sure the new owner is able to use their phone on a different carrier than the prior owner.
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All of the above is separate to anti-theft locks which are supported by Android and iOS devices, which must be removed before sale in order for the new owner to associate the device with their own personal Google or Apple account, respectively.
Apple can lock you out of your laptop, but if that causes damages to your well-being, your business, etc. you can sue.
They can write whatever they want on their T&C, that doesn't make it enforceable.
I just can't understand how people actively choose to endure into this situation.
After support clears up any issues with the second account, reinstall macOS on the device with Internet Recovery.[0]
Having a working personal Apple ID should help facilitate reaching Apple Support quicker, but you don’t need a working Apple ID to use the support site, or to receive support over the phone or in person at an Apple Store.
Even quicker still may be using the iOS Apple Support app if you have an iOS device handy. Doesn’t even have to be yours, you could borrow a friend’s. In my experience, setting an appointment on the support site is very quick and easy with callbacks under a minute being normal for me.
On a more serious note, I ran macs on multiple occasions without an AppleID - it presents maybe one nag a month, usually when you accidentally open “Messages”.
Microsoft, sadly, has also been increasingly more annoying with pushing online accounts on people’s machines lately.
You're just asking for paternalistic, Apple-knows-best trouble. Apple's cloud services are mostly garbage, anyway.
The OP used an Apple account to log into the Mac itself.
That’s different than using your Apple ID to login to iCloud or the App Store.
You can always just boot into single user and create a new local admin account, a matter of minutes.
Finally recovered on some old backup his password but without the second factor it was impossible to get full control of the account. So I disabled FindMyIPhone, wiped the phone and set up a new AppleId and restored from a not encrypted backup.
Everything worked for a while until the old apps needed updating (Whatsapp...) and the iPhone asked for the password for the Apple Store. Now the new password did not work. Took us ages to figure out that it was asking for the old appleid password - iOS remembers with which account an app was bought but it does not tell you what AppleID it asks the password for when trying to update.
And on the other hand, only manages to handle accounts issues like we were still in the 90's.
That is, brutally locking people out of their own systems (sometimes for explainable reasons, which should still be resolvable) without any possible discussion or recourse.
The only thing you can do is go at an Apple Store or call Apple support on the phone, only to spend hours and hours with them carefully following their scripts, sometimes escalating the issue to a more senior one, all of them sorry in the end that they can't fix it, and asking you to still note them well, because the issue is not on their side but on Apple's procedure wall.
Which makes the first selling point ("all my life sync'd across my devices") moot at best, adversary at worst.
The senior population is especially vulnerable to account hijacking and loss of their account, and then, their data, and then their devices (at least, they can recover their devices with the help of someone else, but most of their data is lost).
And/or something is definitely rotten in the account reset/recovery procedures.
Apple should not be able to control logon/pw of local system at all, especially if they can’t get it right!
I gave up and created a new one, but lost all my old purchases.
We need to normalize this.
Every time they pull some shenanigan on you - invoice them.