Ask HN: Security Cameras Inside Houses?

- video of kids birth

- video of incubator

- video/audio of crib

- video of play area

- video of all rooms when baby sitter present

- video of lawn, pool

- video of day care facility

- video of public playgrounds, pools

- monitoring of smartphone, tablet, computer usage

- gps tracking by phone

many will probably not have issues with elementary or other school coverage. Halls, gyms, etc.

And yet, bizarrely, the average HN’er think their and other people’s kids will grow up to be super privacy advocates/voters like they imagine themselves to be. It’s like the 18 wheeler of cognitive dissonance in the tech community.

We’ve met panopticon, and it’s mommy and daddy.

After being harassed for daring to jog around my neighborhood at night after some busybody saw me on their Ring camera and called the cops, I'm much more cautious about when and how I walk. I tend to not jog or walk at night anymore, and I'm cautious about not walking near cars in a way that might look like I am looking to steal from them.

I do not like thinking or acting this way, but I also don't like having the cops called on me for existing outside in the neighborhood I live in. I don't like knowing that even if I feel like I'm alone, there's probably someone watching me through a camera system that assumes everyone seen by it is nefarious or a criminal. I can't imagine what that'll be like with the systems pointing to the inside of private homes, now.

People don't care about privacy incidents because they don't affect their lives in an obvious way. It's not a priority for them.

Security cameras on the property, good. Pushing said content to a cloud without end-to-end encryption, not so good. To each their own I guess.

How does the general public express outrage over privacy

For some it may be a trade-off of convenience and accepting the risk. For some it may be a matter of following the masses. People seem to fear being different. There are probably a smaller sub-group of people that secretly want to expose themselves without fear of being seen doing it on purpose. There may also be some that like watching their kids get undressed or letting friends and strangers watch. I would bet that is a thing given how often cameras are publicly listed and how trivial it would be to secure this data.

What sort of chilling effects will our future hold where governments can shut down any sign of disagreement

The agencies you mention may chime in here but we are steadily marching towards what used to be considered a dystopian world. I suspect that younger generations are conditioned into seeing it as progress rather than technology that is configured to be abused by design. I suppose we can study these people and publish scientific papers on it for posterity sake. There will be a documentary on this some day. Maybe you and I can be like Statler and Waldorf providing grumpy commentary in the background.

Is privacy dead beyond resuscitation

I think that is up to you assuming you can move some place where other surveillance systems are not able to watch inside your home. What you install in your home is for now at least up to you. Sadly it is harder to take batteries out of the newer cell phones but metal boxes are cheap. Finding dumb TV's that don't greyhat their way into internet access is also a challenge.

...where people like myself must become digital hermits

I choose to have fun with it and my friends know better than to invite me over or have me on zoom as a result. Alexa has ordered a lot of toilet paper and added many fun and disturbing items to shopping lists of anyone Amazon can listen to.

Maybe because I grew up with it in a high crime area, I don't see it as a problem. The living room is not a private place, it's a semi-public space like the backyard. Private places were things like bedrooms and bathrooms. The maid and babysitter works in the living room and would act like someone would in an office with people in it.

Privacy has a price. Since we live in a fairly high crime area (where crimes were committed by people who lived there), it was an acceptable cost to lose privacy of a large area of our home. I'm not okay with FB selling my personal info, because I don't get enough in exchange. But I pay the privacy toll to WhatsApp because they're part of the communications infrastructure.

Privacy is dead, unless we win the war for general purpose computing, then it might be possible to resurrect it. You certainly can't have privacy with devices you don't actually own in your home.

Absent that, I don't think I'd be comfortable with indoor cameras for the reasons you mention.

In then end, that line of questioning shuts down most desire to have this stuff.

OTOH, I know that in non-residence settings - think construction sites, etc, these can be good to have. I think you have to approach it from a risk/rewards standpoint as well as expectations vs guarantees of privacy.

Those feeds are encrypted and uploaded to Backblaze on 15m intervals and cleared every week unless marked.

I wouldn’t feel comfortable having externally accessible cameras on the interior of the house.