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0 pointsSohcahtoa824y ago0 comments

Tesla has a mobile app that can remotely turn on the climate controls, lock the car, open/close/crack open the windows, enable sentry mode, show the exact GPS location of your car, and more. In the car, you get GPS that is constantly updated.

And you pay $0/month for any of that.

They DO offer a $10/month "Premium Connectivity" package. That adds music streaming via Slacker Radio, Tidal, and Spotify, enables satellite images for the GPS, and allows video streaming (I don't recall the entire list of supported services, but it's pretty comprehensive, and I know includes Netflix, YouTube, Disney+, and Twitch, might also include Hulu and HBO).

Of course, if you're connected to WiFi (ie, using a hotspot on your phone, or parked at a location with WiFi), you can get all that streaming without paying the $10/month. Even if you don't pay for the premium connectivity package, you can play Spotify from your phone over Bluetooth.

The fact that Toyota would charge $8/month just for remote start is just evil. It's a charge designed purely to extract as much money from their customers as possible that does not at all reflect the actual cost to them.

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MAGZine4y ago

As a reminder, "Premium Connectivity" package was originally included for with an unpublished end date for their vehicles, until it wasn't.

All of the remote controls you talk about being free are provided over cellular connections, in addition to nav, voice support, and telemetry being sent back to tesla.

as such, tesla is subject to the same economics as toyota, they have just decided to hide it in the price of the vehicles or on the backs of their investors. They pay AT&T to connect their vehicles to the internet.

Perhaps starlink will allow them to keep hiding the cost, perhaps not, especially if Tesla tries to turn the revenue knobs.

Robotbeat4y ago

Honestly, though, I'd rather they have a revenue stream than not. Premium connectivity doesn't add any kind of necessary features; it's all just sort of nice to have.

The main experience is free and the premium connectivity fee helps pay for that infrastructure.

I had premium connectivity for a few months and didn't miss it one bit when it expired. navigation still works great and THIS really is a killer feature for Teslas as it makes roadtripping a breeze, since it's well-connected to the Supercharger network's status. The non-premium connectivity also helps facilitate payment for the Supercharger network, so it's not just a pure burden for Tesla.

I'm pretty satisfied with the service fee structure for Tesla. I'd rather have reasonable fees for things that make sense (like Premium connectivity, which has to pay royalties to geospatial mapping companies, artists, and a non-trivial data usage, or Supercharger which uses electricity and requires the chargers to be maintained by technicians) and a long-term sustainable financial situation than free, but crappy and declining, service. And certainly am glad it's not requiring me to pay for super simple things that should be free.

(So the AT&T fee for non-premium connectivity can partially be paid for by Supercharger fees since that's what it helps facilitate. ...supercharging ALSO being reasonably priced, less than equivalent gasoline for a comparable ICE car)

nexuist4y ago

Tesla probably makes back all the money they spend on AT&T bandwidth through the Supercharger network. As long as the math continues to work out there's no need to introduce any new fees.

I will say it is kind of strange that Premium Connectivity has no data limit. If I could just figure out how to launch a personal hotspot from my Model 3, I could cut the cord with Comcast...

Sohcahtoa82OP4y ago

> I will say it is kind of strange that Premium Connectivity has no data limit. If I could just figure out how to launch a personal hotspot from my Model 3, I could cut the cord with Comcast...

I think you just highlighted why they will likely never allow a personal hotspot from the car.

How many people would gladly drop their home internet connection if they could just tether to the car which is only $10/month for unlimited data? It would cost Tesla a fortune unless they charged a hefty premium for hotspotting.

_ea1k4y ago

I'm not sure what you mean about the unpublished end date. The cars from back then still have it for free.

They announced the move to a fee model well in advance of actually doing it.

They've handled some things like this poorly at times, but this one they actually did right.

alasdair_4y ago

I have a 2014 model S and I’ve never paid for any of these features, yet have them all. Is this a model 3 thing?

bm-rf4y ago

I believe older cars got this for free forever, similar to unlimited supercharging.

dotancohen4y ago

> It's a charge designed purely to extract as much money from their customers as possible

I don't think that it is. I think that it is a charge designed purely to normalize the idea of paying for everything as a subscription.

The next generation of car buyers might not realize that this is ridiculous because by then _everything_ is a subscription, from their shoes to their haircuts.

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