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0 pointspjmlp4y ago0 comments

Yeah, I really don't want to be on their shoes, and if we on the outside don't make our pain points clearly visible, I have the feeling that management will never change course.

On the outside it looks they have made a mess across teams, and now everyone is competing for our attention regarding Forms, WPF, WinUI 2.x on UWP (XBox, HoloLens, Windows until WinUI 3.0 catches up), WinUI 3.0 (some day), MFC (WinUI with C++/WinRT is a mess except for ATL/WRL fans with their deep IDL/COM love), MAUI, PWAs, or better yet, just wrap Blazor everywhere.

So I can't belive they are like the dog on a burning house, rather not allowed to fix the mess that Windows 8 brought into Windows development, and talk publicly how they actually think about all of this.

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pjc504y ago

They've absolutely lost their roadmap, and I think they've also lost the distinction between solving a problem that Microsoft has versus a problem the users have.

And they've never quite dealt with having their platform be eaten by the web and the Apple Store / Google Play Store. See https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/10/20/introdu...

There's also the tension between dotnet core trying to be properly cross-platform vs having it actually support the various Windows toolkits. They've historically been welded into the build system as first-class citizens, rather than optional packages, which causes trouble as soon as you do a cross-platform build. WinUI3 goes halfway to fixing that by being installable as a package, but still relies on "<UseWinUI>true".

pjmlpOP4y ago

Yes, I can clearly see that point of view.

userbinator4y ago

They should just go back to pure Win32. First thing to port: Teams.

pjc504y ago

Win32/Winforms (can't really cope with DPI scaling) or WPF?

As pjlmp says, that would be an admission of failure.

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0 pointspjmlp4y ago0 comments

Yeah, I really don't want to be on their shoes, and if we on the outside don't make our pain points clearly visible, I have the feeling that management will never change course.

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pjc504y ago

They've absolutely lost their roadmap, and I think they've also lost the distinction between solving a problem that Microsoft has versus a problem the users have.

And they've never quite dealt with having their platform be eaten by the web and the Apple Store / Google Play Store. See https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/10/20/introdu...

pjmlpOP4y ago

Yes, I can clearly see that point of view.

userbinator4y ago

They should just go back to pure Win32. First thing to port: Teams.

pjc504y ago

Win32/Winforms (can't really cope with DPI scaling) or WPF?

As pjlmp says, that would be an admission of failure.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse