Does Google Pay work with unlocked bootloader?
Any bank apps that require SafetyNet attestation?
Your experience will depend on the laws of your country and the terms of your bank, but unlocking a bootloader with Magisk and using the right masking tools is all you need to work around most SafetyNet validation.
The trick seems to be to fake the type of attestation available to make the system think hardware attestation (which can't be faked reliably by software) isn't available, falling back to basic software attestation which can be spoofed. Software developers could theoretically detect this bypass by keeping their own mapping of device type to device properties (available hardware etc. to validate the model number and prevent quick spoofing, available attestation to prevent SafetyNet bypasses, and so on) but they'd have to disable some obscure devices or accept the spoofing.
You’ll catch a bad rep among power-users, and what do you gain which is good enough to counter-act that?
Anyone got any explanation for this kind of behaviour and what kind of (commercial) motivations which are driving it?
> From [1] source: "LG will provide service support and software updates for customers of existing mobile products for a period of time which will vary by region."
It they had good will they would keep the service running for 2 or 3 years instead of shutting it down after 7 months.
I bought one appliance from them a few years ago, it's quite noisy and not as great as I supposed it was. With news like this one I'll just avoid buying things from their active divisions.
[1] https://www.lg.com/us/press-release/lg-to-close-mobile-phone...
Still, they should make a simple dump to allow all phones to be unlocked anytime in the future, but to get that, I think we'll need to get some legislation involved (basically, any product you stop supporting, you must provide unlock keys for any encryption).
We seriously need to start adding some legislation (in any sufficiently representative customer base country because mobile phones are easily transported between countries) to reduce e-waste and breathe second life into all the devices which run out of their "supported" lifecycle: if a company can't support a device anymore, it needs to allow it to be unlocked forever.
I am sure all the manufacturers can set up a shared IMEI-to-unlock-code DB at a relatively small cost.
If a code is for some reason required, print it on a sticker in the box it comes in or something.
So while I'd be ecstatic for us to get you-own-the-hardware-device-you-bought legislation, at this point in time, I'd be happy with your-device-needs-not-go-in-the-trash-once-we-stop-giving-you-security-updates at least.
In a sense, we should push for both, but we don't have to push for both with the same initiative.
That's what any modding friendly brand supports. There's no need for codes, DBs, costs to OEMs, etc.
LG has promised Android updates for 3 years after them exiting the smartphone business, but once those 3 years are up, third-party software would be the only way to get updates.
Annoying list: - Realme (supposedly ok, but needs to wait for "deep testing apk" for specific model which can take forver) - Xiaomi/POCO (needs to wait up to one month after first boot)
Should be ok, but YMMV: - Asus/ROG - Nubia/ZTE/RedMagic - Mediatek nonames/unknown brands - Qualcomm nonames/unknown brands
Ok: - OnePlus - Samsung (EXCEPT US MARKET) - Moto - Pixel
The only good side on all this is that I have another good example why owning the device you paid for is so important.
To a few dozen HN readers who probably don't even own an LG phone ? I'm a pretty tech savvy person but the last time I had the time to install a custom OS on my device cyanogenmod was still around and cheap Chinese phones with custom roms were the only thing available in the affordable phone segment. Modern phones are cheap enough to replace when the OS updates stop coming and you can find distros with minimal crapware preinstalled and functional UI in any price range.
Trusting some internet rando not to inject spyware into a ROM build seems riskier than a first party distro. Ditto for OSS that doesn't really get vetted (I wonder how many people review the niche device support code in projects like these) and building from source would probably cost me more in hours spent on it than getting a new flagship.
T-Mobile even gave away free LG 5G phones last Monday (probably because nobody would pay full price for a discontinued product).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/04/05/lg-quitti...
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2021/04/lg-announces-three-year-pl...
Would we accept that we couldn't update to Windows 10, or switch to Ubuntu, on our laptops, because the Compaq brand was discontinued in 2013?
IMO, the sales & service model of mobile devices has been focused on centralized top-down control, which can often serve to harm the user more than it helps them; especially in cases like this. There's a lot of variability in a statement like that though—why I thought it would be an interesting discussion topic.
This one about who read past the title is definitely orthogonal, but quite a simple to figure out if someone "did read"/"didn't read", so I'd really love to see someone collate the results: it is useful information to have, to at least compare HN users to the general public (which there already are studies on title-reading on, which drives all the tabloid out-of-context titles approach already).
Submitters: If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level playing field with everyone else's: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
I appreciate the heads up, and I'll keep in mind the "level playing field" next time I post.
[0] https://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader...
only for apple.
eg. https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-handset-market-o...
It's not that new phones will be locked - there will be no new phones.
https://www.change.org/p/lg-electronics-lg-to-open-source-th...
Went with it to LG, but didn't get a single response. I guess 8 hundred votes is something they don't care about. We would need at least 100 times more to have some significance.
Now I really keen to legislation approach. We already have a movement like "right to repair", now we need a movement "right to own your device".
If LG can do this to their existing phone customers, they won't hesitate to pull the plug on future customers. Buyer Beware!
