I wasn’t necessarily talking about DMT. I was calling these plant medicine because there are interactions with the consciousness of the plant, and not just the material body of what is being ingested. As such, it is even possible to participate without ingestion. Certainly, the shaman and ceremony involved have a big impact on the experience and what is being worked on.

So yes. You want to call a “spade a spade”, and that is true from a mechanistic worldview, but it misses the point from a different worldview.