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0 pointsChris20484y ago0 comments

> This has worked in other human societies before so this should be possible

Which ones?

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Many indigenous cultures. The Iroquois native Americans might be one example. There was no notion that a minority got rich off the labor of others.

WalterBright4y ago

> There was no notion that a minority got rich off the labor of others.

    Northern Iroquois Slavery
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/482790

TaylorAlexander4y ago

I do not argue that the Iroquois were perfect, but we are not comparing them to a perfect society.

shreyshnaccount4y ago

a tangent: I remember reading that historically, Chinese doctors were paid by the healthy people in order to keep the community healthy, and a sick person would not pay until they recovered. I would compare it to insurance, but that's not really the same, it would be of doctors were the insurance providers, but the current model just makes a third party really rich and incentivises the doctors to wish general cough and cold on the community (I'm not saying that doctors are evil, just that the current system doesn't make sense to me) I'd love to hear an opposing view, and why you think that way. cheers, have a great day yall

dnissley4y ago

Any that definitely supported some form of individual rights? As a total weirdo it frightens me to think that I might have been born into a society where my differences may have caused me great suffering at the hands of tradition.

TaylorAlexander4y ago

I’m not sure I follow? In today’s society a lot of people suffer because they are different. Disabled people for example, who would have been cared for in indigenous cultures. Yes the Iroquois supported individual rights. They just had a culture where whatever you did, you kept the needs of others in mind and did what you could to help. You were still an individual.

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77pt774y ago

Same as today. Very little.

Chris2048OP4y ago

Servicing village sized tribes in relatively plentiful biomes, vs nation-level populations (serviced by machines) seem to be very different things.

malthuswaswrong4y ago

And how did those indigenous cultures fair when they came in contact with Western systems of resource collection and distribution?

How can a system be both agrarian and strong enough to survive contact with non-agrarian systems? How do you stop 10 people from secretly working hard and producing an extra ration of gruel right under your commie nose?

lindseymysse4y ago

Well, we just watched the greatest military in the world™ scuttle out of Afghanistan with its tail between its legs, so we know that a primarily agrarian society CAN resist a militaristic society as long as its prepared.

Pre-Colonial American societies were decimated by the biological warfare of the Europeans first. Now America turns its taste for biological warfare on itself. But, anyway, I digress.

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SequoiaHope4y ago

> How do you stop 10 people from secretly working hard and producing an extra ration of gruel right under your commie nose?

I am talking about a voluntary system that works in some ways like wikipedia. I want to get together with others, under a libertarian system of free exchange, and build systems that are designed to meet core human needs as cheaply as possible. Then people can band together and buy those machines if they want, and they can share the output or whatever.

If 10 people want to go do something else, that doesn't affect me any more than Apple affects Wikipedia.

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TaylorAlexander4y ago· 10 in thread

Many indigenous cultures. The Iroquois native Americans might be one example. There was no notion that a minority got rich off the labor of others.

WalterBright4y ago

> There was no notion that a minority got rich off the labor of others.

    Northern Iroquois Slavery
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/482790

TaylorAlexander4y ago

I do not argue that the Iroquois were perfect, but we are not comparing them to a perfect society.

shreyshnaccount4y ago

dnissley4y ago

TaylorAlexander4y ago

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77pt774y ago

Same as today. Very little.

Chris2048OP4y ago

Servicing village sized tribes in relatively plentiful biomes, vs nation-level populations (serviced by machines) seem to be very different things.

malthuswaswrong4y ago

And how did those indigenous cultures fair when they came in contact with Western systems of resource collection and distribution?

lindseymysse4y ago

Pre-Colonial American societies were decimated by the biological warfare of the Europeans first. Now America turns its taste for biological warfare on itself. But, anyway, I digress.

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SequoiaHope4y ago

> How do you stop 10 people from secretly working hard and producing an extra ration of gruel right under your commie nose?

If 10 people want to go do something else, that doesn't affect me any more than Apple affects Wikipedia.

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