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0 pointsgameman1444y ago0 comments

But a manual reviewer in Cupertino or elsewhere still gets access to your personal (possibly very intimate or otherwise private) photos. Privacy from law enforcement is hardly the only privacy that people value.

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Jtsummers4y ago

If you desire privacy, never upload your images to any cloud service that doesn't offer true end-to-end encryption of the data (that is, one where they do not have the key). Use a service where data is only decryptable on your own devices or devices that you personally authorize. Which is, presently, none of the popular services that I'm aware of.

kemayo4y ago

It's even probably the right choice for a popular service to have made.

Full E2E encryption is going to trigger nightmare "I lost all my photos" customer-service stories when people forget their passwords... which is acceptable when you deliberately signed up for a service where security was the selling point, but not great for someone who bought a mass-market phone.

Jtsummers4y ago

Yep. See the perennial complaint about Signal as a demonstration of that. They don't persist your messages across devices on privacy/security grounds. That's fine, it's why I use it (or one motivation for me to use it). But it's contrary to what many people expect from that kind of service.

pa7ch4y ago

Thats the issue with local scanning, even if you used an e2e cloud for your photos the encryption would be bypassed with local scanning.

threeseed4y ago

They would only have access to the photos that are being reviewed.

And you can either choose between (a) someone having to see your photos or (b) relying on an automated but imperfect process. You have to pick one.

sulam4y ago

Uh, can't I choose not to have my private images scanned? I think that's still a choice, right?

kemayo4y ago

It is, but it's perhaps incompatible with uploading your private images to a cloud service.

threeseed4y ago

Of course. But the second you enable iCloud Photo Library and want to upload your private photos to Apple's servers than you need to comply with their Terms & Conditions.

Which includes them scanning your photos for CSAM.

concinds4y ago

Not when using a commercial cloud service, no.

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Jtsummers4y ago

kemayo4y ago

It's even probably the right choice for a popular service to have made.

Jtsummers4y ago

pa7ch4y ago

Thats the issue with local scanning, even if you used an e2e cloud for your photos the encryption would be bypassed with local scanning.

threeseed4y ago

They would only have access to the photos that are being reviewed.

And you can either choose between (a) someone having to see your photos or (b) relying on an automated but imperfect process. You have to pick one.

sulam4y ago

Uh, can't I choose not to have my private images scanned? I think that's still a choice, right?

kemayo4y ago

It is, but it's perhaps incompatible with uploading your private images to a cloud service.

threeseed4y ago

Of course. But the second you enable iCloud Photo Library and want to upload your private photos to Apple's servers than you need to comply with their Terms & Conditions.

Which includes them scanning your photos for CSAM.

concinds4y ago

Not when using a commercial cloud service, no.

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