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0 pointsechelon4y ago0 comments

> known child pornography material

For some definition. Russia's FSB might have a very different idea of what this is. Anti-Putin memes, for instance. Navalny support materials or brochures. You'll have to watch what you download, because your phone might upload it and incriminate you.

Or China's MSS. Winnie the Pooh, Tiananmen Square, Free HK, etc.

Or even the FBI. Financial or political leaks, Wikileaks, etc.

Once they know who you are and why they don't like you, they can incriminate you in other ways. This helps them find and flag you. They don't even need to monitor and decrypt traffic - they can just upload hashes of things they don't like and let Apple's dragnet do all the work.

Don't buy into "CSAM" scare. It's never the intent. The powers that be don't give a damn about children. It's about power.

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theshrike794y ago

The definition is from NCMEC[0] and ONLY from NCMEC. No FSB, no MSS, no FBI.

This is the EXACT SAME database EVERY cloud provider has been using for about a decade. Look up Microsoft PhotoDNA.

The only difference is that the company doing it was Apple, who wanted to do the checks on-device BEFORE upload. And with multiple redundancies and human review.

Not like Microsoft, who have - for example - shut down the MS account of a German man for having photos of his own children on a beach. No human review, no way to complain. Everything gone from Outlook mail to Xbox account.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Missing_%2...

echelonOP4y ago

Longbets 10 years $10,000 we see this used by Apple (or a government agency) in a way that deviates from your attestation?

I'll eat my hat if this system doesn't hurt someone innocent.

threeseed4y ago

I will happily take that bet.

Because if a government agency is involved they will be doing so server-side instead of client-side.

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robocat4y ago

> I'll eat my hat

One of these yummy nacho hats? https://www.google.com/search?q=nacho+hats&tbm=isch

kfprt4y ago

NCMEC is their US database because of federal law. This does not apply to the rest of the world.

kaba04y ago

Hyperbole is a logical fallacy for a reason

echelonOP4y ago

That's a characterization roughly equivalent to "you have nothing to hide".

Our defense of privacy should be paramount, and we shouldn't defend the fruit company for assailing it just because we like the pretty things they make.

Every word of Stallman's warnings about computing freedom was right. He was prescient. And just like his arguments, there are many people that view this move by Apple as a huge erosion of privacy. We all have a very legitimate fear that shouldn't be dismissed.

You can attack and trivialize my arguments, but mark my words, history will show we're making a huge mistake here.

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theshrike794y ago

The definition is from NCMEC[0] and ONLY from NCMEC. No FSB, no MSS, no FBI.

This is the EXACT SAME database EVERY cloud provider has been using for about a decade. Look up Microsoft PhotoDNA.

The only difference is that the company doing it was Apple, who wanted to do the checks on-device BEFORE upload. And with multiple redundancies and human review.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Missing_%2...

echelonOP4y ago

Longbets 10 years $10,000 we see this used by Apple (or a government agency) in a way that deviates from your attestation?

I'll eat my hat if this system doesn't hurt someone innocent.

threeseed4y ago

I will happily take that bet.

Because if a government agency is involved they will be doing so server-side instead of client-side.

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robocat4y ago

> I'll eat my hat

One of these yummy nacho hats? https://www.google.com/search?q=nacho+hats&tbm=isch

kfprt4y ago

NCMEC is their US database because of federal law. This does not apply to the rest of the world.

kaba04y ago

Hyperbole is a logical fallacy for a reason

echelonOP4y ago

That's a characterization roughly equivalent to "you have nothing to hide".

Our defense of privacy should be paramount, and we shouldn't defend the fruit company for assailing it just because we like the pretty things they make.

You can attack and trivialize my arguments, but mark my words, history will show we're making a huge mistake here.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse