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0 pointsdehugger4y ago0 comments

3. The words you use for this are trans and cis. No one is going to get upset at someone for using them. If you are trying to use "creative" language to say the same thing you shouldn't be surprised when people take offense, considering that non-offensive terms already exist.

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CRConrad4y ago· 2 in thread

The word the most rabid "PC warriors" use for this are "man" and "woman". If you dare say "Trans women are different from other women in that...", you can bet there's some looney who will jump down your throat along the lines of "How dare you call this woman anything else but just 'a woman', you horrible bigot!"

If you didn't understand that this was what the GP meant you must have led an exceedingly sheltered online life until now. (Which, frankly, feels so unlikely that it feels nearer to hand that your comment was made in bad faith or, at best, unthinkingly.)

mnsc4y ago

This hypothetical situation with the looney you made up is not very fleshed out. The looney seem to be referring to an individual woman that is somehow out of frame in the story and judging by the looneys remarks, the person who now is talking about trans women in general seem to have made previous remarks about the individual that was insensitive to that individuals desires to be referred to as a woman and not a trans woman. Which is kind of a dick move...

But cool story bro. Fight for your right to be a dick I guess.

CRConrad4y ago

>>>> [@RHSeeger:] 3. People that express the opinion that someone who has undergone a gender change operation is different from someone that was born that gender. Expressing an opinion that they're different in some ways; not mocking or insulting them.

>>> [@dehugger:] 3. The words you use for this are trans and cis. No one is going to get upset at someone for using them.

>> [Me:] The word the most rabid "PC warriors" use for this are "man" and "woman". If you dare say "Trans women are different from other women in that...", you can bet there's some looney who will jump down your throat [...]

> This hypothetical situation with the looney you made up is not very fleshed out.

Fleshed out enough for anyone reasonably intelligent to get the gist, I would have thought. What, exactly, did you not understand?

> The looney seem to be referring to an individual woman that is somehow out of frame in the story

What "story" -- my hypothetical? Since "the looney" is prominently mentioned in it, how can they be "out of frame"?!?

> and judging by the looneys remarks, the person who now is talking about trans women in general seem to have made previous remarks about the individual

No, absolutely not. Where on Earth did you get that from? My hypothetical was talking about trans women in general, period. There's no need to make up any complicated backstory, because what I said was all I wanted and needed to say: If you dare say, in a general discussion on the Internet, e.g, "Trans women are different from other women in that...", you can bet there's some looney who will jump down your throat BECAUSE you used the term "trans women"; to some people that, too, is anathema because it "singles out" trans women from other women. Some people are so blinded by PC that to them, acknowledging any difference is a sin.

> that was insensitive to that individuals desires to be referred to as a woman and not a trans woman. Which is kind of a dick move...

Yeah, in your weird made-up story that has nothing to do with anything. You are of course perfectly free to make up little fairy tales and publish them on the Internet, but not to impute them as back-stories to anything I (or anyone else) has said. Don't put your shit in my mouth.

> But cool story bro. Fight for your right to be a dick I guess.

If anyone is "being a dick" here, AFAICS it's you.

RHSeeger4y ago

I used the words that seemed the most obvious way to express myself. I would have had to look up the term cis to make sure I was using it the right way, and there wasn't a good reason to. The fact that someone could possibly be offended by the use of the words I chose shows part of the problem. That's like saying you think "Italian-American" is ok, but "An American citizen with Italian ancestors" is offensive. It's a clear, well understood description of the trait being discussed that expresses no judgement. It _cannot_ be offensive under any normal circumstances.

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