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0 pointsratww4y ago0 comments

> the solution that Wikipedia themselves would advocate is that you should publish those explanations on some site of your own, and Wikipedia could then cite it

The problem with "deletionism" is not lack of sources and citations. It's the fact some moderators don't want certain material there. Creating sources is not a guarantee you'll be able to add them back, quite the opposite.

In the past I've seen purges of all kinds of well-sourced material: law, electric engineering, literature, important CS/engineering figures. It's never because of lack of sources, it's always some subjective rule.

Actually, I've seen "the content is already available in another website, why do we need it here?" being be used as an argument against reinstating some very uncontroversial articles.

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zzo38computer4y ago

My opinion is that it should be inclusionism and not deletionism. Include many thing as needing.

> Actually, I've seen "the content is already available in another website, why do we need it here?" being be used as an argument against reinstating some very uncontroversial articles.

Having it on Wikipedia is helpful. This way, you can find it in Wikipedia, can have a free license, mirrors (if there are any), can use MediaWiki API, and will have the wikitext you do not worry as much about the hostile JS/CSS and can also print out. And, you can also fix it if there is a mistake in the article, too.

They should also try to be neutral from corporate or other interests (although if there are multiple points of view about some subject, they can try to be included if you can avoid being biased, but in the total it should be neutral).

ratwwOP4y ago

> My opinion is that it should be inclusionism and not deletionism. Include many thing as needing.

I agree with you, unfortunately we're losing the battle here.

There are already plenty of rules defining what fits or not in Wikipedia: not only it needs sources, but also notability and it can't be original research.

The issue is not that those rules aren't being followed: is that deletionist mods are deleting articles, metadata, lists, and everything else, even when those rules are followed. And they're also making it harder to create new articles.

paleotrope4y ago

Do the sources even matter? I don't know how many articles I've read in the past that have had some very questionable "facts" so I check the source link and it's a dead link.

How does that work?

ratwwOP4y ago

Great point.

In practice dead links should be and are mostly converted to web.archive.org links. It's not a problem for them to be dead, they just have to exist somewhere and the original source should be classified as reputable. It's hard.

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zzo38computer4y ago

My opinion is that it should be inclusionism and not deletionism. Include many thing as needing.

> Actually, I've seen "the content is already available in another website, why do we need it here?" being be used as an argument against reinstating some very uncontroversial articles.

ratwwOP4y ago

> My opinion is that it should be inclusionism and not deletionism. Include many thing as needing.

I agree with you, unfortunately we're losing the battle here.

There are already plenty of rules defining what fits or not in Wikipedia: not only it needs sources, but also notability and it can't be original research.

paleotrope4y ago

Do the sources even matter? I don't know how many articles I've read in the past that have had some very questionable "facts" so I check the source link and it's a dead link.

How does that work?

ratwwOP4y ago

Great point.

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