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0 pointstsimionescu4y ago0 comments

While I think parameter names at all call sites is the right solution, I don't think it's good enough to have this in the IDE alone. I still have to review code online that says `add(a, true)`, even if IntelliJ showed me `add(a, ignore_negatives:true)`.

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10x-dev4y ago

The point is that this is a presentation issue. There is nothing wrong with the model. It would not be impossible for the reviewing software to analyze source code and display named parameters.

tsimionescuOP4y ago

That would require every bit of software that presents this program not only to understand my programming langauge, but also to have enough context on the rest of the program to actually recognize the function and know what each parameter represents.

Not to mention, code is itself a presentation layer. Why would you put some presentation concerns in one layer (e.g. identifier names, indentation&styling), but others in another presentation layer?

foolfoolz4y ago

this is true actually. every place we read code needs to also parse the code. it’s already happening today, that’s how you get syntax highlighting. the future of all code review in the browser is a more similar experience to coding in an ide. and eventually the browser will replace the ide (and you could say this is already happening too)

10x-dev4y ago

> every bit of software that presents this program not only to understand my programming language

You can either change your program to fit existing tools, or you can build smarter tools. I prefer the latter.

> code itself is a presentation layer

Not for the tool it isn't

edit: I think we can all agree that ideally we fix this in the language itself by adding optional named parameters

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rrobukef4y ago

OTOH, programming for the human and not for the computer, included caring about presentation. I could say there's nothing right with the model either - a non-issue, personal preference.

... An older presentation issue is the tabs versus spaces flamewar. At least that one has burnt out. Maybe because of the rise of IDE's?

Zababa4y ago

> ... An older presentation issue is the tabs versus spaces flamewar. At least that one has burnt out. Maybe because of the rise of IDE's?

My guess would be not IDEs but autoformatting tools, especially when communties like Go all follow one style.

CRConrad4y ago

> The point is that this is a presentation issue.

I think the point was that it shouldn't be.

> There is nothing wrong with the model

Seems to me there is.

fxtentacle4y ago

Then apparently you need a code review tool which is as clever as the IDE.

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10x-dev4y ago

The point is that this is a presentation issue. There is nothing wrong with the model. It would not be impossible for the reviewing software to analyze source code and display named parameters.

tsimionescuOP4y ago

Not to mention, code is itself a presentation layer. Why would you put some presentation concerns in one layer (e.g. identifier names, indentation&styling), but others in another presentation layer?

foolfoolz4y ago

10x-dev4y ago

> every bit of software that presents this program not only to understand my programming language

You can either change your program to fit existing tools, or you can build smarter tools. I prefer the latter.

> code itself is a presentation layer

Not for the tool it isn't

edit: I think we can all agree that ideally we fix this in the language itself by adding optional named parameters

2 more replies

rrobukef4y ago

OTOH, programming for the human and not for the computer, included caring about presentation. I could say there's nothing right with the model either - a non-issue, personal preference.

... An older presentation issue is the tabs versus spaces flamewar. At least that one has burnt out. Maybe because of the rise of IDE's?

Zababa4y ago

> ... An older presentation issue is the tabs versus spaces flamewar. At least that one has burnt out. Maybe because of the rise of IDE's?

My guess would be not IDEs but autoformatting tools, especially when communties like Go all follow one style.

CRConrad4y ago

> The point is that this is a presentation issue.

I think the point was that it shouldn't be.

> There is nothing wrong with the model

Seems to me there is.

fxtentacle4y ago

Then apparently you need a code review tool which is as clever as the IDE.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse