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0 pointsboulos4y ago0 comments

Hmm. Without Corretto, which is "recent", I don't see how your argument holds. "No" seed stage company is going to use something from Azul, and probably not from "regular" IBM either (that is, exempting RedHat).

Without Corretto, I think Oracle really has poisoned the well.

[1] https://aws.amazon.com/corretto/

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javajosh4y ago

It's particularly confusing because "OpenJDK" used to be an independent group who's purpose was to build a fully open-source Java - and it was Apache licensed. Now, it seems that "OpenJDK" refers to a specification and/or working group which NO LONGER provides a build, instead relying on vendors to do so, and indeed the vendors have wide latitude about how they license it.

This is genuinely complicated, I'm not a lawyer or a software license expert, and I don't understand it. And honestly, based on some of the haughty and arrogant, but factually wrong, comments I've been seeing, I suspect that a lot of people think they understand it, but don't.

boulosOP4y ago

Which is exactly your point! The uncertainty/confusion is now super high due to Oracle's actions. It's literally fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

It's a bit like GPL and other open source licensing in the early days ("better not touch GPL code at all") rather than the now commonplace "Ahh, yes. No to AGPL, but GPL is fine since we won't distribute it. We'd prefer APL" practices.

I absolutely believe that experts in licensing understand the OpenJDK / Corretto / Microsoft's OpenJDK distro and so on. But it really did go from "yeah, openjdk is no problem" to "hmm, do we understand this?".

papercrane4y ago

> "OpenJDK" used to be an independent group who's purpose was to build a fully open-source Java - and it was Apache licensed.

You've confused OpenJDK with Apache Harmony. The Harmony project dissolved in 2011, essentially being killed by IBM's decision to join the OpenJDK project instead.

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