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0 pointsa_conservative4y ago0 comments

And what about unknown long-haul effects from newly developed vaccines? Are we permitted to be concerned about those?

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slenk4y ago· 5 in thread

At this point, long term side effects would be known about: "History tells us that severe side effects are extremely rare, and if they do occur, they usually happen within the first two months"

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19...

disneygibson4y ago

So we can know the long term effects of a novel vaccine but we can’t know the long term effects of COVID?

How does that make any sense? Don’t you think it’s more reasonable to assume we don’t know either?

slenk4y ago

Maybe? We have been studying vaccines and how they work since the 1800s...we have a lot more history with vaccines and how they work compared to a Coronavirus.

And two of the available vaccines don't even give you a dead infection like most vaccines - you can't get COVID from the COVID shot (Moderna or Pfizer)

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kbos874y ago

Yes, it’s called looking at past evidence. No past vaccines have presented unknown side effects more than 8-10 weeks out. Viruses regularly do damage we don’t see or understand until many years later.

a_conservativeOP4y ago

History can tell us about historical vaccines, not new ones, especially mRNA vaccines.

tomrod4y ago

J&J still has EUA, right?

tomrod4y ago· 3 in thread

Of course we are. The long haul effects of COVID are partially known and are super bad. The expected long haul effects of the vaccine are pretty well known (J&J, AZ) or use well understood pathways (Pfizer, Moderna).

halfjoking4y ago

I had longcovid for 14 months and was active in the community. Something I saw regularly was people claiming the vaccines CAUSED their longcovid. They made their own subreddit for it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/vaccinelonghaulers/

So I don't agree the effects of either are well understood.

xyzzy214y ago

We largely know what causes Long Haul COVID - it's depletion and interference with vitamin B metabolic pathways.

tomrod4y ago

Interesting.

Source? And is it reversible?

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10 comments · 2 top-level

slenk4y ago· 5 in thread

At this point, long term side effects would be known about: "History tells us that severe side effects are extremely rare, and if they do occur, they usually happen within the first two months"

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19...

disneygibson4y ago

So we can know the long term effects of a novel vaccine but we can’t know the long term effects of COVID?

How does that make any sense? Don’t you think it’s more reasonable to assume we don’t know either?

slenk4y ago

Maybe? We have been studying vaccines and how they work since the 1800s...we have a lot more history with vaccines and how they work compared to a Coronavirus.

And two of the available vaccines don't even give you a dead infection like most vaccines - you can't get COVID from the COVID shot (Moderna or Pfizer)

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kbos874y ago

a_conservativeOP4y ago

History can tell us about historical vaccines, not new ones, especially mRNA vaccines.

tomrod4y ago

J&J still has EUA, right?

tomrod4y ago· 3 in thread

halfjoking4y ago

I had longcovid for 14 months and was active in the community. Something I saw regularly was people claiming the vaccines CAUSED their longcovid. They made their own subreddit for it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/vaccinelonghaulers/

So I don't agree the effects of either are well understood.

xyzzy214y ago

We largely know what causes Long Haul COVID - it's depletion and interference with vitamin B metabolic pathways.

tomrod4y ago

Interesting.

Source? And is it reversible?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse