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0 pointskeewee74y ago0 comments

>riseup.net

They are based in the US and only provide their services to radical leftist activists.

That combination seriously smells like FBI honeypot.

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jjcon4y ago· 5 in thread

The great thing about no trust models is that even if they were comprimised it wouldnt matter

e12e4y ago

Hardly. They get your password on login, and decrypt your mail. They don't (theoretically) even need a code change, just root/kernel level access/tracing to dump the password.

Unless of course you were using PGP - but then you would be about as well off with Gmail?

I mean, they provide a great service, and the stack is open - but I would hesitate to call it "secure" (that goes for ProtonMail too BTW).

https://0xacab.org/liberate/trees

tgsovlerkhgsel4y ago

Where is the no trust model there though?

If riseup were a trap, they could do all the logging (in secret), find the activist, then do parallel construction for the actual evidence presented in court.

basedrum4y ago

Why would they voluntarily act as agents of the state to do that? They would need to be compelled legally to do so, and to do that in the US would require a legal order that has not yet succeeded (remember the Apple case around the terrorist in San Bernadino?).

Before you say, "Well, it could be done in secret", please look up the Wiretap + technical assist laws and note the disclosure requirements.

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poetaster4y ago

I've never understood decrypting with login credentials. My gpg creds are distinct. My client challenges on each mail. Can be set to save for key per session, but don't.

poetaster4y ago

Trees fails to load mobile?

luckylion4y ago

> They are based in the US and only provide their services to radical leftist activists.

They're pretty chill on who to provider their services to. Yes, they host radical leftist activists, but they also host pretty mainstream leftist activists. And they obviously don't care who does what, they don't check your accounts.

I'm far from being a radical leftist (or any leftist!) and I have an account.

basedrum4y ago

Except they've been around for 20 years, and the people running it are part of the left activist movement. I don't think its particularly constructive to post a comment on the internet about how something "smells"

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8 comments · 3 top-level

jjcon4y ago· 5 in thread

The great thing about no trust models is that even if they were comprimised it wouldnt matter

e12e4y ago

Hardly. They get your password on login, and decrypt your mail. They don't (theoretically) even need a code change, just root/kernel level access/tracing to dump the password.

Unless of course you were using PGP - but then you would be about as well off with Gmail?

I mean, they provide a great service, and the stack is open - but I would hesitate to call it "secure" (that goes for ProtonMail too BTW).

https://0xacab.org/liberate/trees

tgsovlerkhgsel4y ago

Where is the no trust model there though?

If riseup were a trap, they could do all the logging (in secret), find the activist, then do parallel construction for the actual evidence presented in court.

basedrum4y ago

Before you say, "Well, it could be done in secret", please look up the Wiretap + technical assist laws and note the disclosure requirements.

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poetaster4y ago

I've never understood decrypting with login credentials. My gpg creds are distinct. My client challenges on each mail. Can be set to save for key per session, but don't.

poetaster4y ago

Trees fails to load mobile?

luckylion4y ago

> They are based in the US and only provide their services to radical leftist activists.

I'm far from being a radical leftist (or any leftist!) and I have an account.

basedrum4y ago

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