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"we aren't much better than Gmail from a privacy standpoint, but please still give us money"

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pseudalopex4y ago· 2 in thread

Does every email provider but Gmail make the same misleading claim as ProtonMail? Fastmail for example?

bigiain4y ago

I like and respect Fastmail.

but...

I live in Australia - and they're totally fucked by our laws and government policy.

"The Australian Federal Police (AFP) and Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission (ACIC) will now be able to access the computers and networks of those suspected of conducting criminal activity online, and even take over their online accounts covertly, under the Identify and Disrupt bill, which was passed by the Senate on Wednesday." -- https://www.innovationaus.com/extraordinary-new-hacking-powe...

and:

"Amends: the Surveillance Devices Act 2004 and Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Act 1979 to: introduce data disruption warrants to enable the Australian Federal Police (AFP) and the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission (ACIC) to disrupt data by modifying, adding, copying or deleting data in order to frustrate the commission of serious offences online; and make minor technical corrections; " -- https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislat...

pseudalopex4y ago

The question was if email providers have to choose misleading people about privacy or going out of business. Specifically about IP logs.

Fastmail's privacy page says "Your data is for you and no one else".[1] So they do mislead about that. I didn't see anything about IP logs though. And Fastmail was just an example.

[1] https://www.fastmail.com/privacy-and-security/

mikeyjk4y ago· 2 in thread

I thought Gmail was much worse, scanning email contents etc.

sellyme4y ago

The scanning of email contents that Gmail does is, from a privacy standpoint, indistinguishable from them simply sending you the email. Their server has to know the contents of that email either way.

sodality24y ago

>The scanning of email contents that Gmail does is, from a privacy standpoint, indistinguishable from them simply sending you the email

The privacy violation of creating a profile on me based on my mail to tailor ads is not the same thing as simply delivering mail.

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barbacoa4y ago

Most people accept search warrants signed by a judge for a crime. Proton mail was even nice enough to notify the user what they were the subject of a search.

With Gmail/Hotmail/etc your communication are at the finger tips of governments for non-criminal domestic surveillance. For example it has been alleged that the NSA leaked private emails of a journalist in order to score political damage.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/11/tucker-carlson-unmasking-claim...

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