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0 pointsjodrellblank4y ago0 comments

> "It could be applied to any ML model at all and the notifications sent to anyone at all"

This is the kind of FUD I keep calling out. Your position "it doesn't matter what they actually built, because I can fantasise a completely different system". Do you not see a massive gaping problem with that reasoning - to whit, it could apply to literally everything with the same predictive power? iTunes music match could look for any media, therefore it does. iOS update could install malware, therefore it does. Smartphone microphones could be listening, therefore they are. iOS and Android could send your GPS location back to head office even if you flick the software switch telling it not to, therefore they do. Apple pushed a U2 album onto your device, therefore they will push pro-China MP3 lectures onto your device and you will be forced to hear them.

It's bad (low quality) reasoning done in bad faith.

> "The system is now built and ready for governments to compel Apple to use for other things in complete violation of device owner's rights, backed by Apple's total ownership of device root."

Which they have said they won't do. Of course "facts don't matter, my fantasies are more real" is your position again.

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xoa4y ago· 1 in thread

What an laugh of a trash post. There are plenty of angles of ignorance and outright ludicrous statements here, but your finale really underlines it:

>Which they have said they won't do.

What the hell? Apple just won't comply with governments using force against them? How in your magic world do you imagine them doing this? If China says "you will add this specified model to your detection or else we will kill iPhone production" what exactly do you imagine Apple is going to do? Apple has already caved there, repeatedly, such as with iCloud data itself. Or if the USA points out, correctly, that while it can't compel Apple to create something from scratch it is on much stronger ground to compel Apple to use capability it already has and successfully wins that now what? They're just going to defy the US Government and the feds will just shrug and say "oh nevermind jodrellblank already said on HN Apple won't do that"?

You throw around "bad faith", "FUD", and "fantasies are more real" and then just outright accept Apple saying "they won't do" something which equates to defying government. This is not going to strike anyone actually grounded in reality as a particularly "fact based" bit of reasoning on your part.

jodrellblankOP4y ago

> "say "oh nevermind jodrellblank already said on HN Apple won't do that""

I didn't say Apple won't do that, I said "Apple said they won't do that". I'm not making a claim of what will happen, I'm reporting a fact of what Apple said, which was this:

"“We have faced demands to build and deploy government-mandated changes that degrade the privacy of users before, and have steadfastly refused those demands. We will continue to refuse them in the future.”" and "“Let us be clear, this technology is limited to detecting CSAM stored in iCloud and we will not accede to any government’s request to expand it.”"[1]

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/09/apple-will-reject-demands-to...

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