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0 pointsslowpoke14y ago0 comments

Oh dear, where do I start...

First off, stealing.

I don't give a crap how often you and others like you spout this bullshit, it doesn't make it any more correct. It's not stealing. It never was, it never will be. If you are unable to understand the consequences of digital media, that's a pity, but not the fault of the evil, evil pirates.

Second, that's a pretty nice appeal to emotion. Frankly, I don't give half a fuck whether you starve to death. If your business model cannot keep up with technology and you refuse to adapt (or worse, try to fight the change, which is ultimately a losing battle to everyone's detriment, including you), that's your fault. The evil, evil pirates are just a convenient excuse.

Third, if you really /need/ all this bullshit to get people to buy your stuff, then your doing something very, very wrong. Deliver a good product at a reasonable price and people will be happy to pay for it. Stop developing against the evil, evil pirates but instead for your valid costumers.

Fourth, if 'free culture/software' is a 'self-serving proto-philosophy drizzled over gigantic entitlement issues' to you, I can't help but feel sorry for you.

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patio1114y ago

Hiya Slowpoke. You seem to be new to HN. That's cool. We're very much unlike some other Internet communities which you've spent time on. In particular, we place a wee bit of emphasis on treating people like they are people, even when interacting with them over HTTP.

My name is Patrick. Pleased to meet you. I run a business which helps teach little kids to read, and spend a lot of time on HN as my hobby. A lot of HNers know me, have spoken to me, or have shaken my hand in person, because I'm a fairly personable guy. Most do not say "Hello Patrick, pleased to meet you, I don't give half a fuck whether you starve to death." That would be a wee bit uncouth.

We have guidelines here for the community's consensus on talking to each other: http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

I'd also like to leave you with a video from Derek Sivers, who also happens to be a HNer. I think the lesson is rather important.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwwHa-7Ux8

saturn14y ago

While slowpoke's rudeness is to be deplored, you set yourself up for that. Attempting to tie your survival (ie whether you eat) with a political concept (support, or otherwise, of the current intellectual property regime) is a pretty poor argument. "Either you agree with me, or you want me to starve to death!"

I also don't appreciate the call to some kind of moral high ground - "I run a business which helps teach little kids to read". Yeah yeah. Maybe slowpoke has devoted his life to curing cancer in kittens. Wouldn't make any difference to his argument, either.

joshuacc14y ago

"I also don't appreciate the call to some kind of moral high ground ... Wouldn't make any difference to his argument, either."

In fact, the moral standing of participants in an argument does make a difference. It informs us regarding the credibility of their moral judgment. For example, the moral judgment of someone who knocks over convenience stores for a living is probably a wee bit less reliable than the moral judgment of someone who spends his time serving the poor in soup kitchens.

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slowpokeOP14y ago

I'm quite acquainted with the general tenor of HN, thank you. I just don't have much nice words left for people who continue to spout lies, logical fallacies and also insult people to defend their failing business models. Your insults are merely prettily worded (in other words, ad hominem).

I could do that too, I just prefer to speak plain text instead of hiding behind verbosity, calling it 'treating people like people' to appear superior in a discussion.

Also, you haven't even adressed any of my arguments. The only thing I got from you now is even more appeal to emotion ('look what a nice guy I am!') and a change of subject.

Oh, and by the way: I'm usually a nice guy too. Horribly fallacious claims from people defending copyright constitute my beserk button though.

lotharbot14y ago

> "I'm quite acquainted with the general tenor of HN"

Either you are less aware than you believe, or you choose to violate our community standards anyway.

Whichever it is, I encourage you to adjust your behavior. Your "beserk button" does not need to be on display here.

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0 pointsslowpoke14y ago0 comments

Oh dear, where do I start...

First off, stealing.

Fourth, if 'free culture/software' is a 'self-serving proto-philosophy drizzled over gigantic entitlement issues' to you, I can't help but feel sorry for you.

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patio1114y ago

We have guidelines here for the community's consensus on talking to each other: http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

I'd also like to leave you with a video from Derek Sivers, who also happens to be a HNer. I think the lesson is rather important.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwwHa-7Ux8

saturn14y ago

joshuacc14y ago

"I also don't appreciate the call to some kind of moral high ground ... Wouldn't make any difference to his argument, either."

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slowpokeOP14y ago

I could do that too, I just prefer to speak plain text instead of hiding behind verbosity, calling it 'treating people like people' to appear superior in a discussion.

Also, you haven't even adressed any of my arguments. The only thing I got from you now is even more appeal to emotion ('look what a nice guy I am!') and a change of subject.

Oh, and by the way: I'm usually a nice guy too. Horribly fallacious claims from people defending copyright constitute my beserk button though.

lotharbot14y ago

> "I'm quite acquainted with the general tenor of HN"

Either you are less aware than you believe, or you choose to violate our community standards anyway.

Whichever it is, I encourage you to adjust your behavior. Your "beserk button" does not need to be on display here.

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