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0 pointsrandomopining4y ago0 comments

What's the risk of vaccine injury?

If the percentage chance of serious vaccine injury is many times less than the chance of somewhat serious covid or long covid... a logical person would take the vaccine.

If you just had covid and had a mild or moderate case, yes I could accept not getting a vaccine.

What i'm talking about is moreso that people should get vaccine immunity, and then get the delta so that we don't fall too far behind in general immunity.

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Mikeb854y ago

Death, in the case of some younger (mostly women) people and the AZ vaccine. Canada and other countries literally don't use it for the reason, I believe the US hasn't certified it either. The Pfizer vaccine has been linked to some heart issues but mostly minor and with far less frequency.

(For the record, I got Pfizer)

mint24y ago

I think he meant to ask about rates. The term risk is slightly ambiguous.

Death or long term disability is the risk of Covid.

The rates of those outcomes are extremely higher for the actual disease.

I Feel like a lot of people are falling into a “Both sides” or “fair and balanced” type trap by over indexing on that in theory the outcome could be the same, while ignoring the elephant in the room that the odds are vastly different such that there’s not really a comparison.

Mikeb854y ago

> The rates of those outcomes are extremely higher for the actual disease.

But the risk of catching the disease is less than 100%. So you need to weigh the risk of the vaccine versus your risk of catching the disease AND dying.

Do the probability of negative outcomes of AZ for women 20-40 versus the probability of catching Covid during a given timeframe AND dying for that same age group.

There's a reason many countries don't use AZ, and that some who do used it only for older patients. Canada for example doesn't even use AZ anymore. I believe it's still not approved for use in the US either. This isn't some conspiracy, lots of countries have highlighted the risks and don't use the vaccine.

Also this isn't an anti-vaxx post (I literally have 2 doses of Pfizer), it's a realistic post about the risks.

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randomopiningOP4y ago

You realize that everything is a probability right?

There are people who choke and die on Hot Dogs every year. So there is a "risk of death from hot dogs"

Yet most reasonable people would not really care.

Mikeb854y ago

The same argument can be made for Covid itself too and is also an anti-vaxx argument. Everything we do has risks and we determine whether or not they're reasonable.

With vaccines, enough countries have said some have acceptable risk profiles (Pfizer and Moderna) and some are too risky (AstraZeneca).

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Mikeb854y ago

(For the record, I got Pfizer)

mint24y ago

I think he meant to ask about rates. The term risk is slightly ambiguous.

Death or long term disability is the risk of Covid.

The rates of those outcomes are extremely higher for the actual disease.

Mikeb854y ago

> The rates of those outcomes are extremely higher for the actual disease.

But the risk of catching the disease is less than 100%. So you need to weigh the risk of the vaccine versus your risk of catching the disease AND dying.

Do the probability of negative outcomes of AZ for women 20-40 versus the probability of catching Covid during a given timeframe AND dying for that same age group.

Also this isn't an anti-vaxx post (I literally have 2 doses of Pfizer), it's a realistic post about the risks.

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randomopiningOP4y ago

You realize that everything is a probability right?

There are people who choke and die on Hot Dogs every year. So there is a "risk of death from hot dogs"

Yet most reasonable people would not really care.

Mikeb854y ago

The same argument can be made for Covid itself too and is also an anti-vaxx argument. Everything we do has risks and we determine whether or not they're reasonable.

With vaccines, enough countries have said some have acceptable risk profiles (Pfizer and Moderna) and some are too risky (AstraZeneca).

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