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0 pointsalbertgoeswoof4y ago0 comments

> the single biggest user of UKs camera system originally intended for serious crimes are housing councils checking to see who didn't clean up after their dog.

Which camera system? Do you have a citation for that?

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ChrisKnott4y ago

That's absolute nonsense but it's one of those things where I'd be interested to try and unpick the provenance of how someone could believe something so ridiculous.

dijit4y ago

You guys are so dismissive. How dare you look down on some random person without even taking 10 seconds to look it up.

https://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/17327294.cctv-c...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-22792013

Anecdotally my Mum works for Coventry City Council (though she is in events planning) but has noted complaints from colleagues about “busy work” from “fussy old people who keep asking for camera footage” — though Coventry often declines.

Information on those cameras: https://www.coventry.gov.uk/cctv

albertgoeswoofOP4y ago

One or two news reports of local councils maybe using CCTV, doesn’t back up your claim.

The UK doesn’t have a super camera system used for minor crimes like you insinuate.

The high camera counts in the UK come from including private CCTV cameras in the data which privately owned and are not linked together, hence the government is not using a network of cameras to monitor dog poo clean up as you claim.

cryptonym4y ago

Don't know about UK but in France they are now using CCTV to fine not well parked delivery guys for a 2 minutes stop. While I agree vehicle parked anywhere can be a big inconvenience and deserve a fine, I don't think that's a big crime justifying deployment of such a surveillance system.

This totally makes sense, having one cop checking 100+ CCTV is far more efficient than a full team walking in the streets. Once you justified the cost on privacy and managed to deploy such system, it's so easy and convenient to use it for something else.

vorpalhex4y ago

The UK government explicitly lays out a strategy for provate cameras to be bought and operated with mandatory rules for police access to footage. [1]

This is on top of the cameras that ARE owned by government entities - 18+ city councils [2]. And it's expanding [3].

Why do you think it matters if they are linked together? Retaining footage and handing it over to police on request (not warrant) is a requirement. The IPA allows collecting this information in bulk (eg from cctv providers) with warrants. [4]

[1] - PDF Warning https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

[2] - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-17116526

[3] - https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-funds-stre...

[4] - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/contents/enacte...

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