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0 pointsKlonoar4y ago0 comments

This example changes with regards to emotional weight if you remove "a man" and leave it at just "a scanning machine". There is no human scanning your photos on an iPhone, so let's compares apples to apples here.

If that scanning machine didn't reveal the contents of my mail, and then ensured that it wasn't able to be given out in-transit? Yeah, I'd potentially be fine with it - but I'll leave this answer as a hypothetical since it's all theory anyway.

The point here is that you're choosing to use the mail system and you're thus choosing to play by those rules. Given that these checks happen for iCloud you're effectively making the same agreement.

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dannyw4y ago

There actually is a man involved: enough similarities and a human will review the photos. Every algorithm, especially perceptual hashing, will have false positives, and at Apple's scale, some people's private and intimate photos will be false positives and be exposed to a man looking at it.

visarga4y ago

> some people's private and intimate photos will be false positives and be exposed to a man looking at it

and deciding who gets reported to police based on their cultural views on nudity

jeromegv4y ago

I think the point of the OP is that it was already the case before when you were using iCloud photos. The scan was server side.

stetrain4y ago

But the barrier between “only happens for iCloud” and “happens for all photos on device” has been reduced to a very small barrier. Before it was the photos actually being sent to a separate server by my choice, now it’s Apple saying their on-device tool only runs given criteria X.

And on a second note I think people are allowed to be freshly concerned at the idea of Apple scanning photo libraries given a government-provided hash list, even if it was already happening before now.

KlonoarOP4y ago

To be clear, I have no qualms about people being concerned. You can find my comments elsewhere on this site that I think people should scrutinize this entire thing.

I'm just very tired of people (not necessarily you) spouting off as if the functionality is new. It dilutes an otherwise important conversation. So many of the threads on this site are just people privacy LARPing.

stetrain4y ago

Agreed. I still think there is a distinction, even if only in principle and mostly psychological, between what a company does with my files on their server, and what they do with my files on my device.

Even if the outcome is theoretically the same, the means are different and it feels different.

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dannyw4y ago

visarga4y ago

> some people's private and intimate photos will be false positives and be exposed to a man looking at it

and deciding who gets reported to police based on their cultural views on nudity

jeromegv4y ago

I think the point of the OP is that it was already the case before when you were using iCloud photos. The scan was server side.

stetrain4y ago

KlonoarOP4y ago

To be clear, I have no qualms about people being concerned. You can find my comments elsewhere on this site that I think people should scrutinize this entire thing.

stetrain4y ago

Even if the outcome is theoretically the same, the means are different and it feels different.

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