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I don't mean to be hyperbolic or off-topic, but wow, if this specific thread is anything to go by, I don't think we can have a nice society at all. We're like monkeys throwing feces around at eachother and can't even agree, after the fact, as to who threw the first batch or whether it was justified.

All while another separate set of monkeys (media), with their own agendas, tell the rest of us stories and interpretations of said feces throwing. Who am I to believe here? Where are the facts? Who is being punished and fired and impeached and imprisoned after we evaluate the facts? Were laws broken? Should there be laws against some of these things?

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tomschlick4y ago· 2 in thread

I think the culprit really is the clickbait, gotta get it out before someone else does, media. They seem to rarely fact check things anymore before pushing it out and when they are proven wrong retractions rarely happen. The lines between the democratic party and the media is definitely blurred, which isn't surprising as there are a lot of media execs who end up working for administrations for some time. It really is a worrying trend.

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>I think the culprit really is the clickbait, gotta get it out before someone else does, media. They seem to rarely fact check things anymore before pushing it out and when they are proven wrong retractions rarely happen.

I think the culprit is people like yourself, who post a link to the government sending ventilators a month later, and pretending like it happened at the time New York was begging for them. What ACTUALLY happened was after 3 weeks of unending negative press, Trump finally caved and released ventilators. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cuomo-knocks-trumps-claim-ny...

>"FEMA says, 'we're sending 400 ventilators.' Really? What am I going to do with 400 ventilators, when I need 30,000?" Cuomo said at a news conference.

>Later, Trump announced he would supply another 4,000 ventilators to New York from the national stockpile, but he added a claim that Cuomo had turned down the chance to stock up on thousands of ventilators in 2015.

>The lines between the democratic party and the media is definitely blurred, which isn't surprising as there are a lot of media execs who end up working for administrations for some time. It really is a worrying trend.

I'm not even sure what to do with that. The Trump administration literally hired Fox News employees to be a part of the administration. Fox News was founded to be a propaganda wing for the Republican party to ensure that they could try to control the message the next time they were caught in a situation like Watergate. And your concern is the media and the democratic party?

https://www.gawker.com/5814150/roger-ailes-secret-nixon-era-...

tomschlick4y ago

> CPI identified about 430 individuals working in journalism who contributed to either candidate between January 2015 and August 2016. Of the $396,000 they contributed, 96 percent ($382,000) went to Clinton, and 4 percent (about $14,000) went to Trump.[4]

https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_97_percent_of_journali...

I'm concerned anytime media outlets have such close ties with politicians and political parties. Fox New included. But to me, one media outlet that leans conservative is way different than the other 5 or 6 major media outlets that run liberal.

> I think the culprit is people like yourself, who post a link to the government sending ventilators a month later, and pretending like it happened at the time New York was begging for them. What ACTUALLY happened was after 3 weeks of unending negative press, Trump finally caved and released ventilators.

Just because they were begging for them, doesn't mean they were entitled to them over every other state. In the end they got over half the federal stockpile. For one state. Those were taken away from allocations that would have gone to other states. Every state was facing ventilator shortages (my wife worked in an ICU at the time in VA and saw the same daily). NY just got more because they screamed the loudest.

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tw044y ago

OP is doing exactly what he claims is the problem. He's picking and choosing links and completely ignoring timelines and facts. Sure, New York EVENTUALLY got 4,400 ventilators AFTER they went public and called out the federal government on the original offer of 400.

Normally I would give him the benefit of the doubt that he just didn't do proper research, but then when I see him making claims like "the lines are blurred between the media and the Democratic party" I just assume he's acting in bad faith and knows full well that the ventilators weren't released until after the negative press.

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>"FEMA says, 'we're sending 400 ventilators.' Really? What am I going to do with 400 ventilators, when I need 30,000?" Cuomo said at a news conference.

https://www.gawker.com/5814150/roger-ailes-secret-nixon-era-...

tomschlick4y ago

https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_97_percent_of_journali...

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