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0 pointsuserbinator4y ago0 comments

and both Firefox and Webkit were in favour of the spec change.

They could oppose, but then Google would just spread propaganda about how their browsers are "less secure" or whatever. There's really no choice for other browsers at this point.

From the point of view of neutrality, the whole "origin trial" thing is seriously messed up. You are effectively having to ask for permission from one megacorp to treat your site differently from others in its browser.

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floatingatoll4y ago

To try and restate this, in case I misunderstand:

You believe that Apple and Mozilla are rubber-stamping anything Google asks for because they’re afraid of a Google marketing campaign.

Have I accurately represented your beliefs?

userbinatorOP4y ago

The situation is not so clear with Apple (but there is some evidence that it puts up at least some opposition: see hit-pieces like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27968394 and note all the pro-Chrome/Google opinions there...) but Mozilla is funded by Google.

...and regardless of whether you're using Chrome, the immense power of Google's marketing abilities cannot be overstated. It is an ad company, after all. (If you're using Chrome, it's self-explanatory; if you're not, you should notice just how much you get "recommended" to.)

sofixa4y ago

> see hit-pieces like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27968394 and note all the pro-Chrome/Google opinions there...)

Hit pieces? It's extremely plausible the people are fed up by Apple's refusal to implement basic features and fix show stopping bugs in their force-fed browser to protect their monopoly and money that comes in (30% cut of App Store sales).

floatingatoll4y ago

Definitely report what you perceive as astroturfing to the mods using the footer Contact link; they will want to know more.

madeofpalk4y ago

Firefox and Webkit are always rejecting proposals from Chrome, or the other way around or whatever.

There's just no evidence that points to what you're suggesting.

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0 pointsuserbinator4y ago0 comments

and both Firefox and Webkit were in favour of the spec change.

They could oppose, but then Google would just spread propaganda about how their browsers are "less secure" or whatever. There's really no choice for other browsers at this point.

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floatingatoll4y ago

To try and restate this, in case I misunderstand:

You believe that Apple and Mozilla are rubber-stamping anything Google asks for because they’re afraid of a Google marketing campaign.

Have I accurately represented your beliefs?

userbinatorOP4y ago

sofixa4y ago

> see hit-pieces like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27968394 and note all the pro-Chrome/Google opinions there...)

floatingatoll4y ago

Definitely report what you perceive as astroturfing to the mods using the footer Contact link; they will want to know more.

madeofpalk4y ago

Firefox and Webkit are always rejecting proposals from Chrome, or the other way around or whatever.

There's just no evidence that points to what you're suggesting.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse