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0 pointsjoelbluminator4y ago0 comments

Neither of them was democratic as in liberal, free press, human rights etc etc. Iran afaik was a full blown dictatorship before the islamic revolution (it's still a dictatorship, but different), Lebanon's history is more complicated but I stand by my view that it was never a liberal democracy, definitely not in the last 40 years.

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andrepd4y ago

>Iran afaik was a full blown dictatorship before the islamic revolution

Yes, but he was talking about before that wasn't he? Iran was a democracy (flawed, but still) before the US–UK alliance overthrew the parliamentary system and installed a puppet dictator, to keep stealing their oil.

joelbluminatorOP4y ago

I'm no expert on the history of Iran, but no, it doesn't seem it ever was (Most countries in the region ever were or are one now). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Imperial_S...

"The reign of Reza Shah was totalitarian and dictatorial at a time when totalitarian governments and dictatorships were common in the Middle East and the world[8] and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was some years in the future."

rjsw4y ago

It was more of a democracy before the 1953 coup [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

joelbluminatorOP4y ago

OK, it was more of a democracy at that time I agree. That was 70 years ago.

andrepd4y ago

For the 3rd time, I'm talking about the regime that was overthrown to put in the Shah Reza Pahlavi...

joelbluminatorOP4y ago

You could be right, I will read up on that. But again, you are pointing to a very specific point in history, that was an exception to the rule.

sudosysgen4y ago

Again, you've got the wrong time period.

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andrepd4y ago

>Iran afaik was a full blown dictatorship before the islamic revolution

joelbluminatorOP4y ago

I'm no expert on the history of Iran, but no, it doesn't seem it ever was (Most countries in the region ever were or are one now). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Imperial_S...

rjsw4y ago

It was more of a democracy before the 1953 coup [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

joelbluminatorOP4y ago

OK, it was more of a democracy at that time I agree. That was 70 years ago.

andrepd4y ago

For the 3rd time, I'm talking about the regime that was overthrown to put in the Shah Reza Pahlavi...

joelbluminatorOP4y ago

You could be right, I will read up on that. But again, you are pointing to a very specific point in history, that was an exception to the rule.

sudosysgen4y ago

Again, you've got the wrong time period.

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