right, it's not like you're completely stuck with no way to figure out what's causing your problems. In pretty much every language you can get a crash stack and pepper print/logging statements. And sure, the Clojure stacks aren't always impenetrable (unless it's blowing up in some call back or lazy evaluation.. then good luck). But I don't think it should be brushed under the rug that that the debug situation in Clojure is problematic.. and it's behind ancient creaking languages like Elisp and the much laughed at C++. The REPL is great for sure, and it makes punching out code much faster, but when you need to debug some deep problem I start to miss GDB a bit :)

Next time I'm in a bind I'll have to try `scope-capture`. It looks like it might get me half way there