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Just to clarify - that is false. It is generally advisable to get Moderna/Pfizer if they're available and you're a young woman but the chance of mortal thrombosis is around 5 per one million. The EU recommends getting AZ over not receiving a vaccine if that is the only option available to you[1] - though at this point there should be a sufficient supply of alternatives.

1. https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-astrazene...

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incrudible4y ago

> Just to clarify - that is false.

It isn't false, though the blanket "it was banned" statement lacks context:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COV...

> It is generally advisable to get Moderna/Pfizer if they're available and you're a young woman but the chance of mortal thrombosis is around 5 per one million.

No, the risk for anyone to develop a lethal thrombosis is roughly 5 per million. The chances are much higher for younger women, to the point where it exceeds the risk to die of COVID.

Pyramus4y ago

Again, that is false.

It's not even close, for women age 20-29 the risk of fatal thrombosis is 1:250k, while Covid is somewhere around 1:25k [1]. That's a whole order of magnitude.

The risk/benefit ratio of AZ vaccine is only poor when the risk of exposure is very low [2].

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2918-0/figures/2

[2] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

incrudible4y ago

> It's not even close, for women age 20-29 the risk of fatal thrombosis is 1:250k

I have yet to find a source that gives the risk for that cohort.

> ...while Covid is somewhere around 1:25k

Even if it's an order of magnitude higher, the risk of a actually getting a PCR-confirmed infection is an order of magnitude lower.

Again, Germany: 28 deaths of women in that age group over the course of the pandemic[1], including all potential co-morbidities that may tilt the risk in favor of vaccination.

> The risk/benefit ratio of AZ vaccine is only poor when the risk of exposure is very low.

This is comparing "ICU admissions" against "Serious harms due to the vaccine". Utter nonsense. Why not compare mortality? Probably because it wouldn't look too good...

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105512/coronavirus-covi...

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incrudible4y ago

> Just to clarify - that is false.

It isn't false, though the blanket "it was banned" statement lacks context:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COV...

> It is generally advisable to get Moderna/Pfizer if they're available and you're a young woman but the chance of mortal thrombosis is around 5 per one million.

No, the risk for anyone to develop a lethal thrombosis is roughly 5 per million. The chances are much higher for younger women, to the point where it exceeds the risk to die of COVID.

Pyramus4y ago

Again, that is false.

It's not even close, for women age 20-29 the risk of fatal thrombosis is 1:250k, while Covid is somewhere around 1:25k [1]. That's a whole order of magnitude.

The risk/benefit ratio of AZ vaccine is only poor when the risk of exposure is very low [2].

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2918-0/figures/2

[2] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

incrudible4y ago

> It's not even close, for women age 20-29 the risk of fatal thrombosis is 1:250k

I have yet to find a source that gives the risk for that cohort.

> ...while Covid is somewhere around 1:25k

Even if it's an order of magnitude higher, the risk of a actually getting a PCR-confirmed infection is an order of magnitude lower.

Again, Germany: 28 deaths of women in that age group over the course of the pandemic[1], including all potential co-morbidities that may tilt the risk in favor of vaccination.

> The risk/benefit ratio of AZ vaccine is only poor when the risk of exposure is very low.

This is comparing "ICU admissions" against "Serious harms due to the vaccine". Utter nonsense. Why not compare mortality? Probably because it wouldn't look too good...

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105512/coronavirus-covi...

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