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0 pointsvetinari4y ago0 comments

Not supporting E2EE (cite: Telegram is not E2EE) and E2EE being not on by default are two very different things.

Not being on by default has an impact on other things, that the users value more. If they were on by default, they would lose it and Telegram would lose part of its appeal. This way, users themselves can choose the trade-off they are happy with.

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AegirLeet4y ago

Not having it enabled by default means most people will never enable it at all. That's just plain reckless.

Privacy is a human right; it shouldn't be part of any "trade-off", just like you can't sell yourself into slavery, even if you really wanted to.

vetinariOP4y ago

> Not having it enabled by default means most people will never enable it at all. That's just plain reckless.

Yet, there we are. People value that other functionality more. You may not like it, but that's how they are.

> Privacy is a human right; it shouldn't be part of any "trade-off", just like you can't sell yourself into slavery, even if you really wanted to.

You are now off the rails. The problem with the trade-offs is not social.

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0xy4y ago

It's bothersome that you don't admit that your false statement was false and continue to double down with irrelevant discussion. Telegram has E2EE therefore you are wrong.

"Telegram is not E2EE" is factually incorrect.

WhatsApp has E2EE however it ships your private keys to cloud storage by default. So it's even less secure than Telegram.

AegirLeet4y ago

If you install Telegram and message someone, your message is not E2EE. That falls under "not E2EE" in my book.

allarm4y ago

You should probably adjust your book because not having e2ee and not having e2ee by default are two different things.

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AegirLeet4y ago

Not having it enabled by default means most people will never enable it at all. That's just plain reckless.

Privacy is a human right; it shouldn't be part of any "trade-off", just like you can't sell yourself into slavery, even if you really wanted to.

vetinariOP4y ago

> Not having it enabled by default means most people will never enable it at all. That's just plain reckless.

Yet, there we are. People value that other functionality more. You may not like it, but that's how they are.

> Privacy is a human right; it shouldn't be part of any "trade-off", just like you can't sell yourself into slavery, even if you really wanted to.

You are now off the rails. The problem with the trade-offs is not social.

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0xy4y ago

It's bothersome that you don't admit that your false statement was false and continue to double down with irrelevant discussion. Telegram has E2EE therefore you are wrong.

"Telegram is not E2EE" is factually incorrect.

WhatsApp has E2EE however it ships your private keys to cloud storage by default. So it's even less secure than Telegram.

AegirLeet4y ago

If you install Telegram and message someone, your message is not E2EE. That falls under "not E2EE" in my book.

allarm4y ago

You should probably adjust your book because not having e2ee and not having e2ee by default are two different things.

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