Embedding Lisp in C++ – A Recipe (opens in new tab)

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84 pointspieterk4y ago16 comments

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A couple of others that may be of interest:

- https://ferret-lang.org/ "Ferret is a free software lisp implementation designed to be used in real time embedded control systems. Ferret lisp compiles down to self contained C++11" "Easy FFI (Inline C,C++. See Accessing C,C++ Libraries)" "Easily Embeddable (i.e Ferret fns are just C++ functors.)"

- https://github.com/clasp-developers/clasp "Clasp is a new Common Lisp implementation that seamlessly interoperates with C++ libraries and programs using LLVM for compilation to native code."

hide-difference4y ago

Not trying to be a Lisp gatekeeper, I just want to give credit since Common Lisp is such a gigantic standard:

Embeddable Common Lisp is a conforming implementation. It's what it says in the title, pretty much any Common Lisp library and still embeddable in C/C++. Use it with SLIME and all that.

I do like exo-lisps like Fennel, Ferret and Hy. They just have very different goals from the project referenced in this article.

brundolf4y ago

Plug: for fun I made a (less ambitious) version of this kind of thing for Rust which I ended up being pretty happy with

https://github.com/brundonsmith/rust_lisp

atweiden4y ago

Similarly, Fennel [1] is a Lisp which compiles to Lua, and Lua is well supported in both C++ [2] and Rust [3]. Fennel’s a very reasonable option for delivering S-expression based user interactivity — e.g. REPLs and scriptable config [4].

[1]: https://fennel-lang.org/

[2]: https://github.com/ThePhD/sol2

[3]: https://github.com/amethyst/rlua

[4]: https://git.sr.ht/~ioiojo/include-fnl

alpaca1284y ago

This year I experimented a little with a Lisp transpiling to Lua and it was really surprising to me how well Lua fits this purpose. It can treat e.g. if statements as expressions and supports higher order functions as well as tail call optimisation, so mostly you can just map S-Expressions and a couple other basic features 1:1 to Lua code, and while it might not be super readable it will just work.

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fmakunbound4y ago

The break loop example in the article (^C and continue etc.) probably won't work with these minor also-Lisps.

bjoli4y ago

Finally! Tail calls in rust!

brundolf4y ago

Note that it's probably a very crude implementation of tail-calls - it's the first attempt I've ever made - but I can at least verify that it accomplishes the goal of being able to recurse an arbitrary number of times without blowing the stack

jackdaniel4y ago

Cool post :)

I'm one of ECL maintainers, if you have questions about the implementation itself then I'll be happy to answer.

ncmncm4y ago

I thought guile was specifically designed for embedding, like lua. And, isn't it JITted nowadays?

hide-difference4y ago

It is, Guile's a real gem. There are people who prefer the Common Lisp dialect (ECL in this case) over the Scheme dialect of Lisp (like Guile) though. There are more differences between the two than you might think.

beders4y ago

In styles.css line 6697 or so:

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Maksadbek4y ago

God bless reader mode in browsers. This site has awful styles for reading.

Aisen80104y ago

It's the first time that I see someone using left indentation for code.

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anentropic4y ago

A couple of others that may be of interest:

- https://github.com/clasp-developers/clasp "Clasp is a new Common Lisp implementation that seamlessly interoperates with C++ libraries and programs using LLVM for compilation to native code."

hide-difference4y ago

Not trying to be a Lisp gatekeeper, I just want to give credit since Common Lisp is such a gigantic standard:

Embeddable Common Lisp is a conforming implementation. It's what it says in the title, pretty much any Common Lisp library and still embeddable in C/C++. Use it with SLIME and all that.

I do like exo-lisps like Fennel, Ferret and Hy. They just have very different goals from the project referenced in this article.

brundolf4y ago

Plug: for fun I made a (less ambitious) version of this kind of thing for Rust which I ended up being pretty happy with

https://github.com/brundonsmith/rust_lisp

atweiden4y ago

[1]: https://fennel-lang.org/

[2]: https://github.com/ThePhD/sol2

[3]: https://github.com/amethyst/rlua

[4]: https://git.sr.ht/~ioiojo/include-fnl

alpaca1284y ago

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fmakunbound4y ago

The break loop example in the article (^C and continue etc.) probably won't work with these minor also-Lisps.

bjoli4y ago

Finally! Tail calls in rust!

brundolf4y ago

jackdaniel4y ago

Cool post :)

I'm one of ECL maintainers, if you have questions about the implementation itself then I'll be happy to answer.

ncmncm4y ago

I thought guile was specifically designed for embedding, like lua. And, isn't it JITted nowadays?

hide-difference4y ago

beders4y ago

In styles.css line 6697 or so:

    p {
        color: #333;
    }

Maksadbek4y ago

God bless reader mode in browsers. This site has awful styles for reading.

Aisen80104y ago

It's the first time that I see someone using left indentation for code.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse