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0 pointsjwally5y ago0 comments

1000% this.

I’ve seen it happen with excel, access sql-server; and RPA. Some some Frankenstein’s monster is cobbled together to solve a problem whose best solution would be “stop producing the report that nobody looks at” only to have it slowly decay out of orbit.

The other major flaw with RPA is non-engineering LOB employees (in my experience) are incredibly myopic and implement solutions to get shit done now without thought about future consequences of their decisions. They try to replicate the 800 steps they take to make something work instead of asking “more steps adds opportunity for failure; what is the minimum I need to do to reach goal”.

/soapbox (Sorry)

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ethbr05y ago· 1 in thread

That's why the documentation prod gatekeeping is critical to long term company health.

You're not going to stop them doing things -- because there's never "enough" IT / they always have Excel.

So what's the next least bad?

IMHO, give them something flexible enough (RPA) that they don't have to go outside of the box + require they leave a documentation trail of what / why they built. (Oh! And teach them about SLAs and SRE best practices!)

Then come down like a ton of bricks if they don't follow the latter. Carrot & stick.

Cheaper pressure release valves (RPA), not expensively overengineered containers (hiring more engineers).

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Ironically, the hardest conversation at (insert F500 I designed an RPA practice for)?

"Business users shouldn't be able to use IT change control tools!"

Wait... isn't this exactly what we're always griping they don't do?

Mister_Snuggles5y ago

> "Business users shouldn't be able to use IT change control tools!"

> Wait... isn't this exactly what we're always griping they don't do?

This is something I hate. In IT, we use change control processes - change requests which have to get approved, discussed at the change advisory board, etc.

There are a lot of questions to answer before something goes into Production: Was it tested internally? Did the business area test it and sign off on the change? Is there evidence of said testing? Was code review completed? Is there a backout plan?

I've never seen the same rigour applied to configuration or processes that are managed by the business area, even though their configuration can do quite a bit of damage. Change the inactive customer purge time from 2 years to 2 days? Oops, virtually all of the customers have been purged.

Mister_Snuggles5y ago

Sometimes the solution is also "Get IT to fix the thing that you're working around"

There was a delivered process to do a particular job, but it didn't work. Nobody thought to tell IT that it didn't work, instead they built a Ruby+Selenium script and ran it on a spare computer. Which worked great until it didn't.

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3 comments · 2 top-level

ethbr05y ago· 1 in thread

That's why the documentation prod gatekeeping is critical to long term company health.

You're not going to stop them doing things -- because there's never "enough" IT / they always have Excel.

So what's the next least bad?

Then come down like a ton of bricks if they don't follow the latter. Carrot & stick.

Cheaper pressure release valves (RPA), not expensively overengineered containers (hiring more engineers).

---

Ironically, the hardest conversation at (insert F500 I designed an RPA practice for)?

"Business users shouldn't be able to use IT change control tools!"

Wait... isn't this exactly what we're always griping they don't do?

Mister_Snuggles5y ago

> "Business users shouldn't be able to use IT change control tools!"

> Wait... isn't this exactly what we're always griping they don't do?

This is something I hate. In IT, we use change control processes - change requests which have to get approved, discussed at the change advisory board, etc.

Mister_Snuggles5y ago

Sometimes the solution is also "Get IT to fix the thing that you're working around"

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse