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0 pointsghoward4y ago0 comments

If we don't know the long-term effects of the vaccines, we don't know if they are actually better than COVID and its long-term effects.

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Pyramus4y ago

Don't forget Covid/SARS-Cov-2 is only 6 months older than the vaccines: Nov-2019 vs Apr-2020.

Every bit of data that we have today about the safety profile of the vaccines vs Covid indicates that for the majority of people vaccines are orders of magnitude (think 100-10000x) safer than Covid.

Even when they aren't, e.g. children or AZ & young women, we are talking about super small risks similar to an average car ride.

supertrope4y ago

People consider risk emotionally. A Facebook post claiming their uncle’s roommate’s sister died of a JNJ blot clot (1 in a million) gets more eyeballs than yesterday’s hundreds of COVID-19 fatalities (hundreds of times the risk!)

ghowardOP4y ago

No, there are data that says that the vaccines may be the same as COVID, or worse because the virus is not that dangerous for young people.

guitarbill4y ago

that's true, but also not useful if you're dead.

luckily, there are a few vaccines to choose from, and we do understand how the vaccines work in general. but if you don't trust mRNA vaccines, adenovirus vaccines are very well understood.

supertrope4y ago

I’m not a betting man but a one in a million chance of dying of a Jannsen shot looks good in comparison with COVID-19’s 300 per million(1). Lightning is about 0.3 million. Driving or riding a car is 100 per million.

(1)Death rate much higher in hotspots after hospitals are overwhelmed.

ghowardOP4y ago

I'm not a betting man, but it looks like the chance of dying from the shot might actually be higher than 1 in a million. And we don't yet know how high it is, nor will we, I suspect.

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Pyramus4y ago

Don't forget Covid/SARS-Cov-2 is only 6 months older than the vaccines: Nov-2019 vs Apr-2020.

Every bit of data that we have today about the safety profile of the vaccines vs Covid indicates that for the majority of people vaccines are orders of magnitude (think 100-10000x) safer than Covid.

Even when they aren't, e.g. children or AZ & young women, we are talking about super small risks similar to an average car ride.

supertrope4y ago

ghowardOP4y ago

No, there are data that says that the vaccines may be the same as COVID, or worse because the virus is not that dangerous for young people.

guitarbill4y ago

that's true, but also not useful if you're dead.

luckily, there are a few vaccines to choose from, and we do understand how the vaccines work in general. but if you don't trust mRNA vaccines, adenovirus vaccines are very well understood.

supertrope4y ago

(1)Death rate much higher in hotspots after hospitals are overwhelmed.

ghowardOP4y ago

I'm not a betting man, but it looks like the chance of dying from the shot might actually be higher than 1 in a million. And we don't yet know how high it is, nor will we, I suspect.

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