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I know that LSP plugin exists, but, anecdotally, folks are having trouble with it. Which i think is understandable https://lsp.sublimetext.io/features/ says Show Code Actions: UNBOUND, and this is the second most useful thing in LSP (the first is extend selection), it’s not that the plugin is wrong: it’s just that you can do only so much if the editor lacks first class UI/UX concepts for features, required to expose LSP to the user.

Can you pretty please fix the issue where files deleted/renamed outside sublime are shown as unsaved? It often ends up with a lot of wasted debugging time until I realise I'm working on the wrong file

Please show "filename (deleted)" on the title, instead of "filename •". Thanks!

Thanks a lot for creating this piece of software art. I’m a user since the v1 and no matter what the editor du jour is, I always fallback to ST and Vim.

The current Rsubl implementation kinda works. But is a bit hacky for reliable everyday work.

However, since we started using Yarn workspaces (for JS), I've needed to switch to VSCode because its auto-import is just so much better, and it's one of those things that's hard to go back from, once you're used to it. Sublime text already indexes my code for search, which can probably be used for path suggestions / automatic imports without affecting performance too much maybe? I dunno.

I wouldn't mind it being a plugin either (before Yarn workspaces, I'd use FuzzyFilePath plugin which worked pretty well). But native support would mean the performance would be on par with what I've come to expect from Sublime Text :)

Thank you so much!

However, opening big files doesn't work too well, it seems the program wants to load the whole file in memory. Any change on that front?

I've been using Sublime for years now and yet I barely use most of its "well known features" and I feel ashamed of myself.

I know there are tutorials out there, but I am a chronic procrastinator and I just can't bring myself to watch them while at home.

I love this editor, but this detail annoys me:

https://i.imgur.com/wu6ZfSa.png

Folding code with curly braces doesn't "eat" the brace. It's indent-based, not syntax based. There is a 2 or 3 years old issue on their github, and they don't plan to fix. A little annoying for a paying editor.

Here is the github issue: https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/101

Maybe they fixed it and I did not look up new settings?

For me it's the best second editor, i always have it open when i do an operation. I have different main tool / editor open but always sublime text as a second tool.

Thanks for keeping a 32 bit version also.

Thanks for this release! I use ST every day and I love it: the speed, the efficiency, everything.

The one thing I miss, though, is manipulating files from the left panel (moving files especially). I know there is a plug-in doing that (Side Bar) but it lacks drag-and-drop support.

Any plan to have it natively in the future?

My only complain with Sublime is that if I have 100s of unnamed tabs opened, it gets very difficult to find a particular tab.

I wish there was somewhat better tab organisation possible. Maybe there are some plug-ins, I did check last time when I was frustrated with it.

Does anyone else face this issue or have I been using it wrong?

BTW: Thanks for a great Editor.

That would make my little embedded dev station just perfect! Would migrate it all to that new Pi 400.

My workflow involves keeping 9 sublime projects open most of the time (damn microservices), and restarting sublime after an update makes my computer very slow (not unusable, not noticeably laggy) for 5-10mins each time.

Relatedly, sublime has an excellent changelog window, but it only shows up after you've already updated! It would be really nice if I could see the changelog before I decide whether to update or not...

When will ST4 show up on Homebrew?

https://formulae.brew.sh/cask/sublime-text

Thanks for taking the time to answer questions

I hope one day you will release your UI toolkit. Since it's crossplateform, fast, and plug into Python, it could be a wonderful alternative to PyQT, wxWidget and the like, and we really need something in the Python world.

Good luck to ST4.

> Note you can upgrade to the bundle from either a Sublime Text or Sublime Merge license.

Right now I have a ST3 license and would like to upgrade it to both ST4 and Sublime Merge.

If one upgrades to a bundle now, will it be possible in the future to upgrade the bundle license to a single product one? Or is the only option to buy a new single product license instead?

(I’m ok with it either way, I just want to find out so I can plan better.)

For example, if I am using Julia/R I want side panel that shows all my current variables in memory. Is Sublime plugin system capable of adding UI components such as variable/plot viewer and add custom interactions to those UI panels(i.e. zoom/rotation for plots)?

my day job has a fixed list of binaries that are permitted to run (by digest)... 2 is on the list, and 4 isn't

(quite happily using 4 now at home!)

That would explain the visual corruption issues I sometimes have with Merge but not ST3. In Merge some actions, sometimes (mostly in the settings) corrupt the application window (sometimes also after minimizing and sleep) on my MacBook. To me it looked like a rendering/GPU issue. It looks like blocks of pixels having different colors, lines shifted, etc.

Edit: ctrl+tab saves, but mouse clicking a tab loses

How can I open find results in a split view?

How can I open definitions and references in split views without using the mouse to hover and click?

Edit: F12 and shift+F12.

I was an avid user (and paying customer!) of ST1 and ST2. Somewhere along the way I switched to VS Code. Why should I use ST4 over VS Code today?

I noticed that you can only see the type of a type

Are there any plans for some kind of combo deal now that Sublime Text and Sublime Merge licenses are aligned?

It looks great.

It is coming with LSP support so that will work as well.

How does it compare to YouCompleteMe or TabNine?

I often just open it to jot something down, and before I know it I have 15-20 notes on separate pages, I'll consolidate and save them to a file somewhere or delete them if necessary.

It's just a super reliable scratchpad and a versatile modern textfile editor.

Alas, now I'm used to it, and I can't go back because of the same integrations that made me switch in the first place, and new ones I've found since. All the crispness and snappiness is gone in favor of deep features. I accidentally became an IDE-guy.

It sorta is in just the text editing realm similar to vim and emacs. Sure it can do more but I feel like it's not fair to compare it. That said sublime text is probably the only text editor I ever used that comes even close to competing with vim and emacs for text editing.

Do you actually ever need to open a new editor? Why not just start whatever editor you want when you boot up, and then open files in it?

You probably don't shut down and start up your web browser every time you want to open a new site, so why would you do the analogue with your text editor?

I solved this need long ago with BBEdit (hi Rich!): I leave it running all the time. It is the only application that starts with my user login, and it is always available.

I tested "Visual Studio". It takes ~10-12 seconds. For some reason VSC code fits within my threshold of "fast enough I don't feel like I had to wait at all" where as visual studio feels like I'm waiting. I guess your threshold is lower than mine though.

Edit: I've upgraded. I've felt guilty for years for how much mileage I've gotten out of Sublime. It is one of my most used applications.

> (…) Sublime Text has — in my experience — only gotten faster. I love software that does this: Software that unbloats over time. This should be the goal of all software. The longer it’s around, the more elegant it should become. Smooth over like a river stone. I have full trust in the engineering of Sublime Text because I’ve used it for over a decade, but also because it always feels like a fast, focused tool (even though it’s actually very complicated) and has only become faster the longer I’ve used it.

The whole essay is a nice read.

EDIT: Something else I wanted to add: I’ve tried other programs (file managers, for instance) that attempt to emulate Sublime Text both in interface (keyboard-driven, command palette, etc.) and speed, but they mostly manage to hit the former while blowing the latter. Fast software is hard!

But I have been a user of UltraEdit for many many years (maybe 20?) and I still find it much more natural to use.

I found it while looking for an editor to replace Semware's Qedit (DOS).

I wonder why UltraEdit has not much love here.

I do find Sublime's price much better than UltraEdit.

(1) Collaborative features and syncing are easier to build when all the data lives in the cloud. There are currently no easy ways to build collaborative decentralized apps that scale and perform well and don't lose data. The best compromise solution today is probably cloud syncing, which is the Apple approach and keeps most of the brains local while using the cloud as a cache and a relay... but that tends to lead toward more and more stuff going to the cloud over time.

(2) The cloud is the only DRM that works. Cloud software can't be pirated because the user doesn't even have most of the software. At best the user gets the UI frontend in the form of obfuscated JavaScript or WASM.

(3) Due to #2, it's possible to easily collect recurring payments. "Recurring revenue" is the holy grail of virtually all businesses. Some VCs don't even consider non-recurring revenue in valuing a startup company. If your company collects $1M in one-time licenses and $100/month in subscriptions, some investors will literally chalk you up as having $100/month MRR.

(4) Cloud SaaS is a political loophole around free-as-in-beer ideology. The "information wants to be free" ideology tends to poo-poo commercial software and insist on the freedom to pirate everything, but cloud SaaS gets a free pass. Even better: with cloud SaaS you can use FOSS software without giving anything back! ... unless the license is AGPL, BSL, or Commons Clause, but those are not "true" FOSS licenses according to the FSF. (The AGPL sort of is, but it's also not strong enough to really prevent SaaSification.)

(5) Last but not least: shipping software sucks, especially on Windows. The Windows MSI installation subsystem is a horror from the deepest smoldering pit of hell. Be sure your company offers mental health benefits for PTSD treatment if you have to ask an engineer to deal with it. Mac and Linux are a little better but they are collectively only about 1/4 of the desktop market. The web offers a zero-friction "install" process that makes adoption and updates seamless and easy.

If those problems can be addressed, we can see a renaissance for real software that serves the user and doesn't have 100+ms latency for every action.

I like an editor that's fast enough, isn't bloated and isn't Vim.

Don't always need the IDE.

And although I can use Vim, I'm just not as efficient with it to use it 100% of the time. I learned a little to be able to work on remote servers but that's all I need. I can use a GUI editor like Sublime for the rest.

Sublime is versatile.

Not a Data Engineer (yet?) but that sentence definitely apply to me.

- https://packagecontrol.io/packages/SublimeLinter

- https://packagecontrol.io/packages/SublimeLinter-eslint

- https://packagecontrol.io/packages/JsPrettier

- https://packagecontrol.io/packages/LSP

- https://packagecontrol.io/packages/LSP-typescript

If you're on macos, I also recommend creating a file at ~/Library/Application Support/Sublime Text 3/Packages/User/Default (OSX).sublime-mousemap with the following contents -- this adds a cmd+click "go to definition" shortcut that's also equivalent to what VS Code provides. (I guess the path should be "Sublime Text 4" now? but after upgrading, the config at the "Sublime Text 3" path still works for me.)

[ { "button": "button1", "count": 1, "modifiers": ["super"], "press_command": "drag_select", "command": "lsp_symbol_definition" } ]

I've tried to switch to VS Code a few times -- language features (especially TypeScript) tend to work better out-of-the-box but it still isn't close in terms of performance. If you want IDE-like features to "just work" then VS Code is definitely the best choice, but the persistent (albeit sleight) input lag drives me up the wall.

The philosophy of Sublime is almost opposite to VS Code and other IDEs. Instead of everything enabled by default, everything is simple and lightweight by default. Then you add your own things on top.

I mostly see it as analogous to programming, where I too prefer to start simple and add things I control on top and where I understand the whole stack. Compared to picking a huge framework which lets me get started but where I don't understand the hundreds of layers beneath.

Since I use Sublime Text since years, and plan to use it for years to come, I see it as an investment to learn the underlaying functionality and eco system from the ground up. It makes me a better and more productive programmer in the long run.

Perhaps ST4 addresses these issues, but personally I probably won't go back to it.

I was surprised to find myself deciding on Sublime at the end of it.

It came down to performance but also clutter. Sublime is fast. But also, VSCode just had too many panels and bells and whistles.

And VSCode's defaults were just all wrong. Like trying to autocomplete every other word when I'm typing text in a .txt file -- it's not even code! I couldn't believe how many random options I had to hunt down just to make typing usable and not trying to insert a million things.

Typing in Sublime seems to operate... just how I expect it to.

I don't know how to describe it, but there are a lot of little aggravations Sublime avoids.

What Sublime doesn't have anymore is the community zeitgeist. I definitely feel more like I'm sticking to tried-and-true as a user these days, than something innovative, even though it's still innovative.

* Performance, like you mentioned. I've very used to opening hundreds of megabytes of line-delimited data in my editor; anything that can't keep up with that immediately ruins my "tempo."

* I don't really understand how to customize VS Code's UI. It has a lot of little toolbars and widget panels that I don't want (I have everything except for the edit buffer on Sublime removed), but I can't find any obvious way to permanently remove them. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough.

* This one is largely my fault: 10+ years of Sublime Text have broken my brain, and VS Code's default bindings are just different enough to cause me significant annoyance. I'm sure I could spend a couple of hours fixing them, but I'll admit that the thought gives me pause.

On the other hand, I really like VS Code's session sharing feature (other than the shared undo/redo buffer). I'd love to see a version of that for Sublime!

When you realize you want VSCode to look and feel like Sublime, and spend hours trying to tweak settings, turn things off, use Sublime keybindings, etc. why bother? Just use Sublime. Also, I like paying indie devs for their work.

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Sublime Text just does what I ask.

Then for JS/TS, the out-of-the-box support is what won me over from being a ST user for nearly 10 years.

As someone who's in BBEdit five days a week, I definitely understand this. :)

The license key presumable encodes both an expiry date and what version numbers it is valid for when it was issued (and therefore will continue to work for even after expiry)?

A couple of small examples in IntelliJ:

I see the “IDE Fatal Error” light flash about 5-10 times a day. It's quite hard to ignore and you have to dismiss it by opening a window soliciting feedback about what you were doing when the IDE exception occurred. I generally have no idea what caused the exception, so I usually leave the feedback field blank. It feels like being a mechanical turk for exception reports. (There's an 11-year-old YouTrack to auto-submit exceptions in case this annoys anyone else too: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEABKL-5835 )

Most themes show a large number of stripe marks in the editor scroll area for errors, warnings, “weak warnings”, and more, which lights up the scrollbars for no good reason. You can turn these off in the preferences along with all of the other visual clutter. But I got so frustrated having to track all of those options down whenever I try a new JetBrains IDE that I ended up making a theme that reduces a lot of the visual noise by default, such as only showing stripe marks for errors: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/14858-blackbird-theme

Perhaps you need to install TypeScript compiler into the project? VSCode bundles that too, ST4 might not.

https://www.sublimetext.com/docs/3/vintage.html

- vintage mode

- sublimesix

- actualvim

It's especially useful when your laptop is running a different OS than Linux which is often the target.

I just hate the overly zealous autocomplete that fixes good words into bad words and forces me to hit Esc every time.

one thing i do like about it is how easy it is to create split screen documents just by dragging then to the edge of the screen

https://github.com/matias-pizarro/freebsd-custom-ports/tree/...

https://github.com/matias-pizarro/freebsd-custom-ports/tree/...

Hopefully soon these will get added to the official ports repo and you can find them there:

https://www.freshports.org/editors/linux-sublime-text

https://www.freshports.org/editors/linux-sublime-merge

Unless you're doing something graphically intensive you don't need a GPU at lower resolutions. At higher resolutions (or with much slower CPUs) you do need a GPU to keep up though.

    defaults write -g ApplePressAndHoldEnabled -bool false

All of our documentation has been updated to describe both 3 and 4. The vast majority of the changes have been additions.

> Is 4 compatible with plugins for 3?

Yes, completely. What's changed is there's now an extra plugin host for python 3.8 with ST4.

https://github.com/Kethku/neovide