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0 pointswelterde4y ago0 comments

That doesn't really help since the home server more corresponds to my irc client (or something like quassel-core or a bouncer) and not a irc server and will just have me as a user and no one else.

The Matrix architecture is much closer to the one used by Jabber Multi User Chat (with perhaps a fancier MUC protocol) than IRC.

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miloignis4y ago

That's not true though - you'll still be talking to everyone on every homeserver that yours can reach (or can be reached transitively)! When matrix.org went down for a bit a few years ago, I could talk in the same rooms with everyone on a homeserver that wasn't matrix.org flawlessly, even though the room was first created on matrix.org. I struggle to see how Matrix could be less available than IRC, where I've experienced many more netsplits.

welterdeOP4y ago

Yes it is possible to mirror rooms, but last I checked that had to be setup manually? Or does synapse do that automatically now?

In any case that wasn't my point earlier. That was that I never had the issue on IRC that my homeserver somehow got stuck for several minutes while it did "something" in the room resolution protocol before suddenly catching up all of a sudden. And that I'll take netsplits any day over it being stuck.

miloignis4y ago

I'm not sure what you mean by mirroring rooms - rooms don't have any one particular home or special server, they exist across all participating servers always and automatically.

I've never experienced what you're describing with the homeserver getting stuck while it did something, though I have had Element Android time out and seemingly not notice for a while & keep spinning, but that was the client's fault, not the server. My best guess is that whatever you experienced did get fixed!

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scarygliders4y ago

Incorrect, as you can configure your homeserver to be a public server or an invite-only server where you can have your chums join your homeserver - and thanks to federation even if there is some break in comms between your homeserver and another federated server - say the matrix.org server (which runs on the same matrix-synapse you'd be running) - it's possible for the federation to route around the problem - which, exactly like IRC's netsplit, will resolve eventually, but with the added advantage of synching history.

welterdeOP4y ago

We are conflating things here, since the architecture of IRC and Matrix are not the same. Since due to the federated nature each room will be different - like it is in Jabber.

I am not talking about talking to my friends (since that's already solved with a private irc network), but for random people on rather large public rooms, where everyone will be isolated to their homeserver without manual configuration (granted.. since we have some big homeservers like matrix.org probably they'll able to continue chatting in the room).

Edit: Turns out I misremembered the federation algorithm from the spec - seems like it is indeed currently full-mesh and not a directed graph so I retract my remark.

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miloignis4y ago

welterdeOP4y ago

Yes it is possible to mirror rooms, but last I checked that had to be setup manually? Or does synapse do that automatically now?

miloignis4y ago

I'm not sure what you mean by mirroring rooms - rooms don't have any one particular home or special server, they exist across all participating servers always and automatically.

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scarygliders4y ago

welterdeOP4y ago

We are conflating things here, since the architecture of IRC and Matrix are not the same. Since due to the federated nature each room will be different - like it is in Jabber.

Edit: Turns out I misremembered the federation algorithm from the spec - seems like it is indeed currently full-mesh and not a directed graph so I retract my remark.

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