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0 pointsscotty794y ago0 comments

If you can leave the next day there's no much room for the employer to negotiate anything. It's not a negotiation if there's no option for the employer to get any concessions from you and give you less than what you demand.

So not everything is a negotiation. Sometimes it's just offer and decission.

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lmilcin4y ago

First of all, the only time there is no negotiation is if you don't have a choice.

Will the company fold if you leave it?

I have personally been in this situation and even then I have negotiated because the owners were only able to put so much money and above that they would prefer to just cut their losses and dissolve the company.

> If you can leave the next day there's no much room for the employer to negotiate anything.

No, you just decided to give them your terms and allow the company to only approve or deny them. You take away their ability to negotiate with you in response to your demands but you did not take their ability to make their own decision. You did not dictate anything.

You would dictate if you had actual power over the company.

You are not really a dictator if they can refuse your offer, are you?

scotty79OP4y ago

I'm not saying employer cannot decide.

I'm just saying that statement "everything is a negotiation" is not true. Because if you refuse to participate in any bargaining then there's no negotiation. Just a statement (from one side) and decision (from the other).

I see you are mostly opposed to the word dictate because you understand it as employee dictating what company will do. And he's obviously not capable of that.

The word dictate used by OP was about dictating the terms of decision they have to make, not dictating what the decision should be.

account424y ago

You can dictate that you will be working from home even if your current employer still has the choice that you will not be working for them.

lmilcin4y ago

Again, you are not dictating if it is up to them to decide whether they accept it or not.

I am not native English speaker, but the dictionaries are rather precise that authority is a necessary ingredient of being able to dictate something.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/dictate

"to give orders, or tell someone exactly what they must do, with total authority"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dictate

"to issue as an order; to impose, pronounce, or specify authoritatively"

If you don't have authority over the company you can still think you are dictating, but that's not how the company views it.

The company view is "are you too much of a problem for the benefit of keeping you?" not "John said it so we must do it because he has authority around here".

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InvertedRhodium4y ago

By that logic, does the concept of dictator even exist? Even under threat of torture and death you can refuse to do or say whatever is being demanded of you - and if you can be refused then are you really a dictator?

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lmilcin4y ago

First of all, the only time there is no negotiation is if you don't have a choice.

Will the company fold if you leave it?

> If you can leave the next day there's no much room for the employer to negotiate anything.

You would dictate if you had actual power over the company.

You are not really a dictator if they can refuse your offer, are you?

scotty79OP4y ago

I'm not saying employer cannot decide.

I see you are mostly opposed to the word dictate because you understand it as employee dictating what company will do. And he's obviously not capable of that.

The word dictate used by OP was about dictating the terms of decision they have to make, not dictating what the decision should be.

account424y ago

You can dictate that you will be working from home even if your current employer still has the choice that you will not be working for them.

lmilcin4y ago

Again, you are not dictating if it is up to them to decide whether they accept it or not.

I am not native English speaker, but the dictionaries are rather precise that authority is a necessary ingredient of being able to dictate something.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/dictate

"to give orders, or tell someone exactly what they must do, with total authority"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dictate

"to issue as an order; to impose, pronounce, or specify authoritatively"

If you don't have authority over the company you can still think you are dictating, but that's not how the company views it.

The company view is "are you too much of a problem for the benefit of keeping you?" not "John said it so we must do it because he has authority around here".

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InvertedRhodium4y ago

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