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0 pointsi_have_an_idea4y ago0 comments

It's pretty fair. You pay money - you get a product. In Windows, you pay money - you get ads and tracking.

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To make it clear to people not reading the comment carefully, I'm not saying MacOS is "free". I'm merely saying that once you pay for the computer, the OS is included in the price.

And there is no additional monetization under the form of ads or tracking. Unlike in the Windows world, where you pay for the license, yet you are still being tracked and served ads.

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boomboomsubban4y ago

I'm not defending Windows here, but you buy an Apple computer, you get the computer and their software. You can't get either independently without paying for the other, but neither could be considered "free."

boomboomsubban4y ago

>To make it clear to people not reading the comment carefully, I'm not saying MacOS is "free".

You are misinterpreting the parent's argument by saying "it's pretty fair" then, as they were saying it's unfair to call MacOS "free."

i_have_an_ideaOP4y ago

No, it is fair competition because in both cases you paid money for the product, as I am clearly stating in the original comment.

In one case it just also happens to be impossible to avoid being further monetized via ads and tracking.

This, to me, is unacceptable for paid software, as essentially amounts to license fee + adware model.

boomboomsubban4y ago

>it is fair competition because in both cases you paid money for the product

The comment you replied to was a response to calling MacOS free, and was entirely about that topic. It's not a fair comparison to call MacOS free, that isn't justifying Microsoft's actions though.

tester7564y ago

> In Windows, you pay money - you get ads and tracking.

Where do I have to click to get those ads?

Miraste4y ago

Off the top of my head, Windows has advertised or directly installed Edge (are you suuuuure you don't want to default it?), OneDrive (in file explorer, no less), Office 365, Bing (in the system search bar), Xbox something or other, Candy Crush, Teams, Skype, and probably several others that I'm forgetting.

tester7564y ago

I ran script that uninstalls a lot of those stuff years ago

Probably it was this

https://gist.github.com/matthewjberger/2f4295887d6cb5738fa34...

zabzonk4y ago

Quite - I have been using Windows since Windows 2.0 and I have never seen an ad - perhaps I am doing something wrong?

sodality24y ago

You have never had Candy Crush-esque apps installed automatically?

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GordonS4y ago

If, like me, you're using Enterprise edition, you'll never see any of these ads.

bhandziuk4y ago

They both charge for an OS. One has ads one doesn't. But one isn't "free".

weird-eye-issue4y ago

That's not what I was replying to at all. He said it was "free". That's a lot different from "you pay money".

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boomboomsubban4y ago

>To make it clear to people not reading the comment carefully, I'm not saying MacOS is "free".

You are misinterpreting the parent's argument by saying "it's pretty fair" then, as they were saying it's unfair to call MacOS "free."

i_have_an_ideaOP4y ago

No, it is fair competition because in both cases you paid money for the product, as I am clearly stating in the original comment.

In one case it just also happens to be impossible to avoid being further monetized via ads and tracking.

This, to me, is unacceptable for paid software, as essentially amounts to license fee + adware model.

boomboomsubban4y ago

>it is fair competition because in both cases you paid money for the product

The comment you replied to was a response to calling MacOS free, and was entirely about that topic. It's not a fair comparison to call MacOS free, that isn't justifying Microsoft's actions though.

tester7564y ago

> In Windows, you pay money - you get ads and tracking.

Where do I have to click to get those ads?

Miraste4y ago

tester7564y ago

I ran script that uninstalls a lot of those stuff years ago

Probably it was this

https://gist.github.com/matthewjberger/2f4295887d6cb5738fa34...

zabzonk4y ago

Quite - I have been using Windows since Windows 2.0 and I have never seen an ad - perhaps I am doing something wrong?

sodality24y ago

You have never had Candy Crush-esque apps installed automatically?