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I find HIIT doesn’t do it for me. Can’t push myself hard enough in such short bursts because I have ridiculous cardio conditioning* from running. Boxing is great because it’s hiit but with technique and tactics and strategy.

* ridiculous conditioning in that I can keep average heart rate at 155bpm for 2 hours no problem. Most hiit isn’t long enough to get me above 110

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hnrodey5y ago

I have a lengthy background in hiit (specifically CrossFit). And I say this in the most polite way possible.

You're doing HIIT wrong if you cannot elevate your heart rate beyond 110 bpm. Whatever you're doing, there's a huge gap in the training programming/protocol.

Everyone suffers in CrossFit. Everyone.

f311a5y ago

Can confirm. It’s pretty easy to elevate heart rate while doing HIIT. Even if you do it for 10 years.

SwizecOP5y ago

I agree. My problem is that I am unable to push myself hard enough for such short periods. My explosivity isn’t good enough.

And I have fast recovery which makes typical rest periods too long compared to how hard I’m able to push myself during the thing.

Probably would work better if I got a personal trainer to push me specifically rather than in a group/video setting

HIIT with heavy weights works very well for me, but I don’t have those available at home. When gyms are open I prefer boxing anyway :)

hnrodey5y ago

The training with weights is something else. Olympic weightlifting as part of a metcon is just a different level of physical fitness.

Good luck finding stuff that keeps you interested. That’s all that matters.

blaser-waffle5y ago

Seconded. Did HIIT and Crossfit stuff off and on for a while.

The main difference between being fit and not fit, when it comes to HIIT, is that you can do more burpiees or curls or whatever in the 45 second period.

It still sucks just as much, but your high-score is better.

conistonwater5y ago

HIIT means all-out sprints with short rests in between, but that's (unfortunately) not how it's presented in social media sometimes. No matter your shape, running all-out sprints in that particular way will get you to the max heart rate. It's just there are too many people misusing the word now.

vsareto5y ago

I thought they present it as ratios as well, so 1:1 is 1 minute on, 1 minute off, or 2m on, 2m off. They give different ratios depending on your level of conditioning, so like 2:1 for fit folks or 1:2 if you're not as fit. I've heard max effort most of the time, but some others have just recommended doing what feels comfortable for newer folks.

conistonwater5y ago

I got it from searching on google scholar, there were lots of papers on it because it's both a buzzword and a seemingly effective training technique for even high-level athletes. The basic issue with the whole concept is that it's supposed to produce similar improvements to long steady sessions of cardio, but only very hard efforts with short intervals produce such improvements. So beginners can't really do hard efforts very well, and if they also use long rest periods, and especially if they don't go all-out, then the benefits aren't there for them at all and it just becomes false advertising. I think it's a little sad how a valuable bit of sports science got mangled. If you do all this stuff to save time and you don't even get the benefits, then doing low-intensity cardio is just so much better. I run a lot these days but I can't imagine an all-out anaerobic sprint that's 2m long, it seems both difficult and biologically impossible, I think that's just regular interval training (not high-intensity).

mips_avatar5y ago

You won't get to max HR from a 40 meter dash.

conistonwater5y ago

No, of course not, but that's not the correct protocol for HIIT. The first few intervals definitely don't get you to max heart rate, that's why the rest periods are kept short.

tomjakubowski5y ago

What do you normally do to get to a 155 bpm heart rate? Not an expert but when I've done HIIT workouts, they've always started with a mild warm up to elevate the heart rate. Maybe you'd benefit from something more strenuous to start.

swader9995y ago

Sprint up hill or grab onto straps and try repeated jumps into the air from a deep squat. Try adding a weighted vest if this isn't enough. If that doesn't work you should join the Navy Seals.

tomjakubowski5y ago

Thanks, however I have no issue getting my outta shape heart to 155 bpm! Was wondering if OP needed a stronger warmup to get their heart rate in the "target zone" for the HIIT work.

johnohara5y ago

Continuous fartlek style running will get you to 155+ bpm. Back off the pace to actively recover to 120 bpm, then go after it again.

Problem is, you need to be fit to do this right, reducing the risk of injury. Always preferred fartlek to repeat intervals on the track. Both have their place however.

hluska5y ago

If anyone is new to fartleks, it’s a Swedish word that means ‘speed play’. They’re an excellent tool for training.

Maybe be careful the first few times you type that on a phone - my poor running coach got a lot of text messages about ‘fart leaks’ when I was trying to report on my training. They are not the same.

Edit - If you’d like to try one, Mona fartleks are pretty well known.

https://www.runnerstribe.com/features/the-mona-fartlek-a-cla...

tomjakubowski5y ago

Oh yes, I remember giggling at Fartlek in high school.

johnohara5y ago

Few terms are more perfectly suited to the high school mind.

SwizecOP5y ago

2 hours of running at 4:45/km keeps your heart rate nice and high.

When I ran a marathon in 3:24:xx my average heart rate was 170bpm.

hluska5y ago

Have you ever tried taking off your shoes at the end of a run, doing some 100m gliders and then hard 40m sprints?? I ran barefoot all last outdoor season so your mileage may vary but I can always get into high intensity zones when I do that.

Or, if that doesn’t do the trick for you, mixing burpees and light jogging is a lot of fun.

saberience5y ago

You're probably doing it wrong? Try running 400m flat out sprints with 1 min rest between each one and tell me how high your heart rate gets.

SwizecOP5y ago

According to my watch, I have pretty good recovery. 150bpm down to 120 or less in 1min

Boxing for 10 years trained that into me very well. 1min rest between 3min rounds

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hnrodey5y ago

I have a lengthy background in hiit (specifically CrossFit). And I say this in the most polite way possible.

You're doing HIIT wrong if you cannot elevate your heart rate beyond 110 bpm. Whatever you're doing, there's a huge gap in the training programming/protocol.

Everyone suffers in CrossFit. Everyone.

f311a5y ago

Can confirm. It’s pretty easy to elevate heart rate while doing HIIT. Even if you do it for 10 years.

SwizecOP5y ago

I agree. My problem is that I am unable to push myself hard enough for such short periods. My explosivity isn’t good enough.

And I have fast recovery which makes typical rest periods too long compared to how hard I’m able to push myself during the thing.

Probably would work better if I got a personal trainer to push me specifically rather than in a group/video setting

HIIT with heavy weights works very well for me, but I don’t have those available at home. When gyms are open I prefer boxing anyway :)

hnrodey5y ago

The training with weights is something else. Olympic weightlifting as part of a metcon is just a different level of physical fitness.

Good luck finding stuff that keeps you interested. That’s all that matters.

blaser-waffle5y ago

Seconded. Did HIIT and Crossfit stuff off and on for a while.

The main difference between being fit and not fit, when it comes to HIIT, is that you can do more burpiees or curls or whatever in the 45 second period.

It still sucks just as much, but your high-score is better.

conistonwater5y ago

vsareto5y ago

conistonwater5y ago

mips_avatar5y ago

You won't get to max HR from a 40 meter dash.

conistonwater5y ago

No, of course not, but that's not the correct protocol for HIIT. The first few intervals definitely don't get you to max heart rate, that's why the rest periods are kept short.

tomjakubowski5y ago

swader9995y ago

Sprint up hill or grab onto straps and try repeated jumps into the air from a deep squat. Try adding a weighted vest if this isn't enough. If that doesn't work you should join the Navy Seals.

tomjakubowski5y ago

Thanks, however I have no issue getting my outta shape heart to 155 bpm! Was wondering if OP needed a stronger warmup to get their heart rate in the "target zone" for the HIIT work.

johnohara5y ago

Continuous fartlek style running will get you to 155+ bpm. Back off the pace to actively recover to 120 bpm, then go after it again.

Problem is, you need to be fit to do this right, reducing the risk of injury. Always preferred fartlek to repeat intervals on the track. Both have their place however.

hluska5y ago

If anyone is new to fartleks, it’s a Swedish word that means ‘speed play’. They’re an excellent tool for training.

Edit - If you’d like to try one, Mona fartleks are pretty well known.

https://www.runnerstribe.com/features/the-mona-fartlek-a-cla...

tomjakubowski5y ago

Oh yes, I remember giggling at Fartlek in high school.

johnohara5y ago

Few terms are more perfectly suited to the high school mind.

SwizecOP5y ago

2 hours of running at 4:45/km keeps your heart rate nice and high.

When I ran a marathon in 3:24:xx my average heart rate was 170bpm.

hluska5y ago

Or, if that doesn’t do the trick for you, mixing burpees and light jogging is a lot of fun.

saberience5y ago

You're probably doing it wrong? Try running 400m flat out sprints with 1 min rest between each one and tell me how high your heart rate gets.

SwizecOP5y ago

According to my watch, I have pretty good recovery. 150bpm down to 120 or less in 1min

Boxing for 10 years trained that into me very well. 1min rest between 3min rounds

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