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Standardized national exams on proficiency in math, languages, science, etc... are very different from IQ tests and only somewhat correlated with IQ, being instead much more strongly correlated with consciensciousness, and generally how good of a student you are and will be.

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whack4y ago

It is shocking that the above comment is being downvoted, but not the comment it is responding to. Proficiency exams in specific subjects like Math/Biology/History/Literature etc are most certainly not IQ tests. Just because something rewards intelligence to some extent, doesn't make it an IQ test. Calling the GCSE History exam an IQ test would be like calling the YC application process an IQ test.

exolymph4y ago

Conscientiousness itself correlates with IQ.

sudosysgenOP4y ago

Yes? And? General grades still correlate more strongly with consciensciousness than IQ.

And consciensciousness is actually negatively correlated with IQ.

thaumasiotes4y ago

Grades show a strong influence from conscientiousness, but exam scores do not.

> And consciensciousness is actually negatively correlated with IQ.

In the same way that SAT math scores are negatively correlated with SAT verbal scores, which is to say only in thresholded samples.

https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.paid.2014.06.014

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thaumasiotes4y ago

This is completely untrue.

sudosysgenOP4y ago

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10212-011-0099-9

Personality traits are much more strongly correlated with academic aptitude than IQ is. If you disagree, you should provide a source.

thaumasiotes4y ago

What are you trying to illustrate with your link? There is no standardized national exam among the measures.

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whack4y ago

exolymph4y ago

Conscientiousness itself correlates with IQ.

sudosysgenOP4y ago

Yes? And? General grades still correlate more strongly with consciensciousness than IQ.

And consciensciousness is actually negatively correlated with IQ.

thaumasiotes4y ago

Grades show a strong influence from conscientiousness, but exam scores do not.

> And consciensciousness is actually negatively correlated with IQ.

In the same way that SAT math scores are negatively correlated with SAT verbal scores, which is to say only in thresholded samples.

https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.paid.2014.06.014

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thaumasiotes4y ago

This is completely untrue.

sudosysgenOP4y ago

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10212-011-0099-9

Personality traits are much more strongly correlated with academic aptitude than IQ is. If you disagree, you should provide a source.

thaumasiotes4y ago

What are you trying to illustrate with your link? There is no standardized national exam among the measures.

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